Talk:Ken Kaneki/@comment-46.165.229.235-20160809235729/@comment-25047329-20160812074202

/paps Dayne/

Mm-hmm, it's totally fair to want closure in regards to a favorite character. While I don't feel that Kaneki's cold shoulder is out of character in this scenario, I also don't believe that it's not as bad as many percive. He just seemed...more casual I guess? Or more neutral? I guess what I'm trying to say is that Kaneki's attitude didn't appear so much as harsh an unconcerned.

I have to admit though, the thing that confuses me is that Rize keeps being brought up as an example. Aside from them being female ghouls who caused Kaneki a lot of trouble, they have nothing in common. Rize was a bored teenaged girl who was apathetic about the lives of others and ate whenever she pleased. Eto is the leader of one of the worst gangs in history and both directly and indirectly was the cause of hundreds of deaths in pursuit of her goals. Kaneki could forgive Rize because he saw her as the source of his power and was unconsciously attracted to abusive women. Kaneki doesn't see Eto in the same light, especially because around the time she revealed her identity to him, he recovered his memories of being abused and broke that cycle. They're not really comparable.

I think Kaneki's "forgiveness limit" usually hits when someone is dangerous enough to unnecessarily put a lot of people in danger or are unusually cruel and show little room for improvement. So far, that list consists of Yamori, Kanou, the Ghoul Reteraunt, and some other minor ghouls from the novels and Jail. I agree that the case with Eto and the bitterness some fans feel has a lot to do with preference. We, as the audiance, know things about Eto that Kaneki doesn't. In-universe, Kaneki's perspective is narrowed through his experience with Aogiri, other people's (in the CCG, which is probably really important), and the few personal experiences he had with her. From his perspective, she's similar to people like Yamori and Kanou who only use, manipulate, and torture.

I think where my opinion really deviates is that Kaneki's attitude and feelings come across as unwarrented. I have to srongly disagree with this because I feel that the things Eto was involved in are underestimated. To be fair though, I think the perspective on what Eto has and hasn't done is filtered through the fact that much of it is indirect. There's the things she's done herself, plus the actions of her gang which she's responsible for. In this case, it probably comes down to how much one holds Eto in responsibility. Which personally, I hold her pretty high to.

TL;DR I think Kaneki's attitude and feelings towards Eto are valid. Kaneki is a forgiving person, but it depends on what the person has done, and he did become more harsh after Yamori's torture. I love Eto as much as the next person, but I sometimes think the things she's done and the danger she presents is underestimated. I do expect Kaneki to hold Eto to some positive regard. He sort of already does. But their relationshp and his perspective of her will likely always be negatively colored.