Talk:Eto Yoshimura/@comment-70.44.9.5-20151222082342/@comment-213.66.199.45-20151224063216

^ I believe that the kakuja have a brain of its own for one reason.

The kakugan.

A eye is just a tool which only gains a worth and function when connected to a brain through the optical nerve. Without this connection, eyes are pointless.

And yet the pupils in a kakuja´s kakugan can move just fine on their own.

Since the kakuhou is capable of creating limbs, mouths, tongues, a fully functional digestive system(Noro), fingers, eyes, kagune and the like... it creating a "brain" is not that unlikely, especially if it uses the ghoul´s "host brain" as template for the biological blueprint to make its own.

When maturing through extensive ingestion of rc-cells, the kakuhou might use all this extra materials to develop a brain of its own that doesn´t rely on the one in the ghoul´s head as sole source of thought process. Aiding the ghoul when the main brain is damaged like a back-up brain.

(Thinking about it, that might be the reason ghouls have kakugans... it´s the kakuhou "borrowing" their sense of sight to react to it accordingly.)

Kaneki´s "Centipede" has a eye right in the middle of the forehead. Its pupil can move, This indicates that it got a optical nerve and that it´s connected to something that got the neurological power to process it.

And it´s sure ain´t "Kaneki´s" brain.

Through the series, we have seen multiple parasitic organisms being mentioned, the "zombie-fungi" in ants which takes control over the ant´s brain and alters its behavior to suit the parasite´s needs (mentioned by Haise). The caterpillar fungus (Saiko and NORO) which enters the host, kills it, "mummify" its corpse, and then sprouts out to spread its spores.

(Saiko´s rinkaku got the apperance of one, Noro is the "embodiment" of this fungi.)

If these two are taken into consideration, then it could be that the kakuhou itself is a parasitic lifeform that alter the behaviors of "infected" human beings that became the "ghouls".

The kakuja might be the adult state of the kakuhou which allows it to develop a brain of its own, using the host´s as the basis and giving it the ability to interact with the world around it, seperate from the host, giving it memories, feelings, emotions, knowledge and all that makes the ghoul´s identity and individuality up.

So in Kaneki Ken and Eto´s case, it´s pretty difficult to tell if they actually are still "themselves" anymore as their kakuhous has grew and developed to the point where they´re capable of "speech"!

(Eto´s case is obvious, Kaneki himself has shown this trait too in the latest chapter.)

If the kagune can "talk" and it can grow "eyeballs" then it means that it got a brain in there somewhere and a mind of its own, amped up by the original host´s/ Ghoul´s, mindset that it´s leeching on whenever the ghouls use their kagune.

(if the kakuhous themselves actually "understands" the deeper meaning behind the words they´re spouting is unlikely, it might be the case that the kakujas sounds like rambling madmen because the kakuhou and the host are in disagreement of who´s in charge at the time and they threw out nonsense not for the sake of the "words" but for the "sounds" that the words are composed off... just like a cat hisses at threats or a cricket chirps in search for a partner...(I am imagining that this is what Eto´s Kakuja was doing when it assumed direct control and chased after Kaneki. It wasn´t tryng to kill him, it was trying to "court" him... and had at least some basic awareness of what some of the words meant... "I`LL MAKE YOU MY CHILD!"... Anyone remembers that? And then take into account of Eto´s actions after Kaneki rammed his rinkaku through her kakuja and one has to wonder if she was high on the "heat" from her kakuja´s instincts...)

(She was like a butterfly during mating season.)

(Seeing it from this angle...it makes Kaneki´s multi-skewering of her a lot more like...)

(...)

Besides that point, If the kakuhou is a dependent lifeform that needs a host to survive until it reaches maturity, which most ghouls doesn´t reach due to the existence of human intervention, then it being capable of growing a sentience is not that unlikely since it would get that from the host.

And it also seems that they, as a species, cannot reproduce without hosts either, (since one is "born" a ghoul until Kanaou showed up with the experiments of forced infection upon unaffected individuals), they cannot just dump their bodies and be off on their merry way as some shoggoth in a lovecraft novel... they stick with one host for the rest of their lives until eaten or destroyed.

The ghoul needs its kakuhou and the kakuhou needs its ghoul.

WHo´s doing the thinking is up to debate though... but one thing is clear.

Kaneki Ken and Eto are indeed the most evolved ghouls in the setting and further ahead in the parasitic lifecycle than any other...

(Also, fun not I noticed: Kaneki Ken himself is a "parasitic" being that gains attributes of others for the sake of ensuring its own survival. No wonder he turned out to thrive as a ghoul and the existence of a kakuhou in him... two parasitic minds think alike, huh?)

(Hmm...)

(I wonder if a "parasitic mindset" might have something to do with the compability of surviving a ghoulification process...)

(Let´s see...

Kaneki Ken: Dependence on everything and everyone around him and a desire of not losing anything to anyone... "Parasite of the world"

Kuro and Shiro: "Parasites of Family". Dependence on a strong parent figure (unfortunaly, they picked Kanou until he abandoned them...if they´re with Amon now, that would satisfy their needs for "strong, parental, figures" as well... might explain why they´re so weak as well... the doctor couldn´t provide for the "need" as a parental figure, ionly seeing them as test subjects and not "family", which would be the same as starving a parasite in lack of proper hosts to feed on. Weakening them significantly...)

Seidou: Continiously seeking the "approval" and "reckognition" of others, a need that is definitely not the easiest to satisfy since it´s all in one´s own mind. His "inferiority complex" might actually be the reason to why he got so powerful and developed as far as he has in order to satisfy this desire... and fromt he looks of it, it´s nowhere near satisfied, meaning he can become even more powerful in the future... He´s a "parasite of praise"...as we all seek approval from our fellow kin in life, just like he does.

Shirazu: Money. A "Parasite of Economy" due to the "need" to keep his his sister around, making him "parasite" on her existence and was willing to do anything to keep her around and not lose her, inculding turning into a one-eyed ghoul.

Saiko: NEET, she´s highly dependant on others and in the beginning, we see that she could barerly do anything by herself without anyone else around her. A "Parasite of Society"... and interestingly enough, she have the "highest" aptitude to turn into a one-eyed ghoul and survive a kakuhou in her body.

Urie: Started off as a ambitious glory hound who leeched on others for the sake of his own ambition and warped vengeance. Like a tick sucking blood from a host and not carring if it gave the host borrelia or not as payment for the meal. A "Parasite of ambition" and a suited candidate for the kakuhou infection... thankfully enough, he got better as his ambitions grew away from a single-minded approach to involve more people and other things besides promotion, he dicovered "true ambition" at the end of the Tsukiyama extermination operation...one that has nothing to do with achievements or promotions or credit, but to honor his own promises to others.

Mutuski: really simple one here... His "parasitic" trait is simply "To be accepted for who he is". A "Parasite of the People". He simply seek people who can accept him as he really is, identity and all, and nothing else. In the beginning of the series, he´s latched onto Haise like a leech, following him around and following every command...and also surprisingly weak at the time, being incapable of using a kagune... Which could mean that his "need" was satisfied with just having a single person provide for it... But it wasn´t enough. A interesting note here is that the moment he decided to expand this "parasitic need" for acceptance towards others "Urie" the bikaku came out as the need grew stronger. And from there, Mutsuki expanded the need of "acceptance" to involve more and more people. (the rest of the squad, other squads within CCG as his promotion opened up the paths to the "acceptance of society" which would nourish the growth of the kakuhou in him even further...)

Regarding the Quinx, they indeed grew stronger once their "parasitic needs" started to be nourished...)

"Parasitic mindsets more suited for ghoulification?"

Just some theories being thrown around here...

I need to stop before this post fills up the page...

Oh, and Merry Christmas.