Talk:Re: Chapter 172/@comment-26544002-20180516045100/@comment-26940038-20180518225224

^ I'm totally fine with that. This has always been an interesting topic which sadly hasn't been adressed a lot by Ishida and the fans recently.

Yeah, ghouls will always kill humans, there is no doubt about that. But if a human government were to accept the existence of ghouls next to them it would have to be a group of ghouls who would be the least likely to kill humans. Ghouls who are actively killing humans have no chance of being allowed to coexist the same way a murderer can't be tollerated.

Your idea with the number of humans getting killed by humans exceeding the number of humans getting killed by ghouls is an interesting standpoint. But I don't agree that continuing to kill ghouls at such a point would be an unnecessary act. It's far easier to take action against the problem of ghouls killing humans than against the problem of humans killing humans. You know that ghouls are more likely to kill humans and you know that they would kill on a regular basis to get food. They also are far mor dangerous because of their physique than a human individual.

So even if the number of ghouls killing humans would be smaller than the number of humans killing humans, tolerating the ghoul kills would mean turning a blind eye to humans dying. That way the government would accept human citizens dying even though they could do something against it. Murder between humans will always happen and you can't do anything against it. But by getting rid of another species which's existence is based on killing and eating humans you could stop those humans dying once and for all. That might be morally wrong but after civil war like times and a costly fight for survival I could understand why a human government would order an organisation like the CCG to get rid of all ghouls.

I would totally agree with what you wrote about humans being the only living beings who have a concept of morality and thus should act accordingly if this were our world we are talking about. If it would be about human nations fighting each other I'd totally agree that it would be the right thing to stop once you are not threatened anymore instead of destroying all potential threats.

But in Tokyo Ghoul there is something that we don't have in our world which is a species that can only survive by killing and eating humans. This species is already living in human cities in quite a high number. And a single individual of this species is able to kill countless human civilians without the need of a weapon.

In a war between humans there is no need to kill all the citizens of another nation. You can take their weapons away, imprison them or give them reasons not to fight you anymore. With ghouls it just isn't that easy. Ghouls always have a reason to kill humans, they are born with weapons in their bodies and can only be dealt with by a small number of human soldiers, like the investigators of the CCG. That's an enormeous and permanent threat my a single individual. And after fighting those individuals for such a long time I doubt that many humans would be willing to take the risk of keeping such threats alive. Even if it's pre-emptive and unfair towards peaceful ghouls and by the moral of our world wrong, it's an understandable way of action, at least in my eyes.

Same goes with the comparison with colonialism. It's comparatively easy to treat fellow humans equally, or to fight them if they oppose you. But with ghouls it just isn't that easy, because they are so different in both physique and nature. So if you would want to coexist with them nontheless you'd have to take some safety measures. Of course it's unfair to treat them like animals but you can't just let someone who has a decent potential of going on a killing spree someday and who could possibly massacre hundreds of humans live right next to humans. To keep humans and ghouls safe they'd have to live seperately and get a constant supply of human meat.

By neutral observers I meant us readers specifically. As we aren't affected by what happens in TG we don't have to be in fear of our lives. That makes it easy to accept human deaths in favor of ghoul survival. If one were completely neutral in this scenario it would be fair if ghouls and humans were treated equally and thus killed in equal numbers. But of course it's entirely different with the characters of this manga since they are indeed affected.

Of course this discussion is quite an ideological one if we talk about what should be done, comparing it to our world. Personally I mainly tried to create an understanding for the actions of humanity in this story, specifically the CCG.