Talk:Roma Hoito/@comment-104.254.93.176-20171025041415/@comment-27247962-20171026114344

^ You see this is a debate i'm not goint into.

Possibilities, possibilities, 0 certainties. A debate with no certainty is like asking for big mac in the library, you won't get certainty through discussion in the first and you won't get your big mac in the second situation.

There's ways to counter both explanations/possibilities.

In short for me Tatara just lost composure and without seeing his brother's fight, I can't say if he did an underwhelming job or not. But the point is that fans wanted more from Tatara, his backstory for starters and with that his development and psyche. Not something Ishida planned on his schedule. Losing the fight is just the trigger that makes those fans realize the chance of getting that backstory or more screentime from him was just nullified.

The fact that Roma would be locked up for decades could only work if she's being harvested regularly or has a vast amount of information that keeps her alive that long, otherwise she should've been squeezed flat in the compactor within the first 5 years. And you don't become the leader of merry band of strong wayward ghouls, if you aren't capable yourself. I wouldn't use such an analogy. I'd rather compare it with learning to ride a bicycle. You learn it and quite for 20 years and you'll still be able to ride it albeit a bit unskillfully, but it'll come back to you in no time at all. Fighting capabilities are other qualities that become ingrained in your system. Roma's playfullness is to blame, but to say Urie didn't show some extraordinary perseverance and skill would be turning a blind eye. The thing with him is that he's been gaining some weird boosts one after the other. First Amon going out of control and being able to take that on, then against Donato, now again Shikorae & Roma. These quick growthboost are rather unsettling. Amon & Tatara had the same amount of fire within them, but they weren't breaking through their limits time and time again like Urie is doing. And this blatant powergrowing is one example of why Ishida is falling short in the battle area. Such blatant powergrowing is what any shounen revolves around, so it's not that suprising ppl don't accept it in a series that presents a much more serious & disastrous story. If the readers start to get a feeling certain characters will get the strength, skill or whatever to pull through a difficult fight then that takes away from one of TG's strongest points, unpredictability & tragedy.

There is in my opinion no side that is more wrong or more right. As well as I can see that the complaints and complaints about complaints will continue to the end. It's that type of manga. Cuz everyone unconciously agrees that it's writing of a level good enough to share their thoughts about good ones and bad ones. If the writing was average from the start, ppl would've long stopped complaining or even praising it in it's entirity.