Talk:Kishou Arima/@comment-50.158.162.51-20151206035322/@comment-27204325-20151211192610

^ I disagree. White-haired Kaneki had an excellent practical knowledge of martial arts, outstanding kagune control, and despite what people seem to think about him in hindsight, he remained extremely calm under pressure. He subdued Jason without killing him, carefully broke exactly half of Ayato's bones, disarmed highly skilled CCG Investigators without killing them, etc.

While his overall mental state was tenuous, he was far, far more effective in battle from a pure technical standpoint. That's why Haise failed to defeat S-ranked ghouls that Kaneki routinely defeated with relative ease. And when Haise did call on Kaneki, he didn't use his brute strength. Nishio commented on that sudden sharpness of his kagune, and how he lost because he was outstrategized. As an aside, that's why I don't think Haise was ever on RC suppressants. It's clear from the dramatic change in his capability whenever Kaneki would lend him strength that his handicap was probably entirely psychological. He leaned on the quinque as a crutch because he couldn't access the much more refined abilities in his subconscious without fear of losing his identity completely.

That said, I do think training with Arima did ingrain in him a valuable set of skills, but Haise never would have been able to use them to their full capacity because the core of Arima's style is lack of wasted movements, thought or space. Haise was sloppy and invited needless damage right up until the end in ways even White-hair Kaneki would have easily avoided.