Talk:Ken Kaneki/@comment-28129688-20160405170547/@comment-27376148-20160406090939

@Luna

I think Hides example could be a good start or more restart for Kaneki to realize the issues with the martyrer complex - bc I could imagine even though Hide sacrificed himself for Kaneki and not for others like Kanekis mum (which is in a way sth Kaneki wished from his mum) - the outcome is pretty much the same and that is that Kaneki could feel left alone by Hide, Hide gave all for Kaneki but if he did love Kaneki he wouldnt he have continued living like Kaneki wanted him to and not just decided to die instead of him? In my opinion the realization back in Jasons room that Kaneki was actually angry at his mother bc she had this sacrificing self for others thing going on was important and that he actually wanted her to be there for him, which Hide on the other side did but ended up dead just like his mother - maybe he'll realize that is angry at Hide as well and it is no way to go either. Like Dayne mentioned Hide is basically holding up a mirror in front of Kaneki and putting him on the other end of the line with it on the same side where for Touka and Hinami for example stood and had to watch him go.

Well as I said it could be a start (not a solution) once he starts changing his thinking, but doesnt have to be bc it didnt work with his moms death either. But I think it could as soon as he stops idealizing Hide and realizes that Hide was in some way maybe a "hero" for him but at the end of the day he was just a lonely person like Kaneki, he was a lot like Kaneki and this way neither him or Kaneki are actually ok. ((Acutally both of them would have to work on their relationship in general too bc there is  imo a possibility that Kanekis own matyr complex also triggered matyrlike behaviour in Hide - Kaneki basically never had to stand up for himself bc Hide was always there to "save" him. But i guess thats a topic for another day x_x))

@ Valeriefaery I dont think :re would be enough tbh imo Kaneki needs Hide by his side as well if he turns out to be alive (but personally i dont see any hope for Kaneki if he turns out to be dead) bc leaving Hides side is what helped triggering a lot of hardships of Kaneki. Could you imagine him doing the same mistake again? I have a hard time imagining Kaneki at least wanting to seperate from Hide again, especially since he thought he was dead, so reassuring him that Hide is alive and well would be important. Actually they both need each other a lot - also we havent had any character developement for Hide yet - if he gets it his biggest influence will probably be Kaneki.