Talk:Kuki Urie/@comment-121.220.13.45-20150810164845/@comment-213.66.199.45-20150810170507

Saiko.

Urie has a Koukaku, this kagune was never meant to be a strong offensive tool but more of a defensive one which focus on endurance and defense. Not strength.

Having two frames released only gives him more defense since it´s not the kagune´s strength that slices up the targets but his own muscular strength that needs to be added to make it cleave through flesh and blood. (like a pitcher has to throw the ball to make it fly, Urie has to use his own muscular power to direct his Koukaku...)

Having rc-muscles doesn´t make him "stronger" as in "offensive strength" but more of "endurance strength", meaning that his rc-muscles allows him to take more hits and make his koukaku last longer before he runs out of energy and time to use it.

Rinkaku are the ones designed with the plus in "strength" as it´s the natural enemy of the Koukaku. Besides, Saiko´s rinkaku is strong enough to maim s-rated ghouls and destroy the area around her in the same move, making her superior to Urie who himself shown great difficulty in dealing with similar opponents himself and even lower ranked ones for that matter.

(A-rated Torso, S-rated Serpent, Rose, SS-rated BM... the only ghouls he has been seen killing with no problem are low B-fodder and the like...)

So in terms of offensive strength, Saiko is the winner...

but now after the timeskip, in terms of "endurance strength" Urie is at the top but only due to the attribute stat boosts that comes with the Koukaku.

If Saiko did some training and got rc-muscles herself, her offensive and regenerative stats would spike and become superior to any of the other quinx in terms of that type of strength...

It´s all a matter of special class attributes assigned to the kagune types as I see it.