Talk:Kishou Arima/@comment-202.67.37.36-20160403002645/@comment-10733658-20160403071128

First and foremost, I would appreciate it if you would stop putting words into my mouth. I have never said they were trivial, so please don't claim that I did. ^_^;;

The issue in discussing these things is that the world of Tokyo Ghoul, and the society of Ghouls in particular, is very different from the one we live in. Violence and extreme things are far more common, so it's difficult to apply real world standards towards those things.

Touka's actions need to be viewed through the frame of what Anteiku was: a place for second chances. Everyone there had a bloody past, the majority much worse than anything we know about Touka doing. I have never said what she did wasn't wrong, but we also need to take into account not only her youth but also her situation. The Touka from the beginning of the series was still readjusting to a normal life, after spending most of her life fighting on the streets to survive. We've been repeatedly told that the world for ghouls is incredibly violent, and the Touka from that story arc was still in rehabilitation. Over the course of the story, we see that she was shaken over what she'd done and by the finale of TG, she fully acknowledged she was wrong. Did you miss the scene when she begs Yomo to let her go to fight in the 20th Ward, because she wanted to be punished for what she did? In Re, we see a Touka that is far more mature. She's not currently acting out of childish anger and revenge, but to help the people she loves. She's grown considerably, just as Yoshimura and Yomo and Koma and Irimi all hoped she would.

Hinami, again, was 14 when she joined Aogiri. We are told it happened after she was separated from everyone else, and called Eto as a last resort. Eto took advantage of her, manipulated her emotions, and used her. You also need to consider the information we were given early on in Re about the situation for ghouls since the destruction of Anteiku. It is stated that Aogiri has been recruiting even moderate ghouls, typically those that had been exposed and had no where else to go. Hinami was one such ghoul that had been exposed, and during the entire original series people kept her hidden to keep her safe. She had no where else to go, as she couldn't find anyone else. And Aogiri kills traitors, so she couldn't have left once Eto lured her in. Ayato warns Torso when recruiting him that he won't be able to leave. The same was likely true of Hinami, whether she really belonged there or not.

Both are these actions were ultimately wrong, and had negative consequences.

Again, I am not saying that Kaneki's actions are unforgivable. I'm just a little baffled at the conclusions you are leaping to, because they seem.......incredibly far-fetched and make me wonder if there is some serious miscommunication going on. You seem to be completely misreading the things I am saying, and believing I am saying things that I am absolutely not saying. I'm really genuinely confused now where you are getting all these things.

TLDR: Kaneki is currently in a very dark place, and making enormous mistakes. He is not currently in a state to realize this and to break out of it himself. He currently needs the help of the people that care about him to escape, as is generally how things work when it comes to mental illnesses.