Talk:Karren von Rosewald/@comment-26229442-20150623055337/@comment-10733658-20150630052954

Well, he lost against Sasaki + Urie + Shirazu. So that doesn't mean he's weak since Sasaki himself can take on an S-rate.

But yeah, it seems likely the Tsukiyama family employs some heavy hitters if Matsumae is any indication.