Talk:Re: Chapter 46/@comment-92.205.0.17-20150926182045/@comment-91.148.92.57-20150927171049



@Anon

"The Tsukiyama family is clearly guilty of kidnaping and murder. I do not blame the CCG for apprehending them. However the CCG and the laws they enforce are the root cause of the Tsukiyama family's crimes. The Tsukiyama family killed and murdered for food because that is the safest way for ghouls to feed. Note, Shuu being the Gourmet was a spoiled rich boy antic and constantly endangered his family.

The crime in the current society is to be a ghoul, the CCG considers a scavenger ghoul to be the same as a murderous ghoul under the law. It is easier to catch scavenger ghouls, the CCG just monitors hospitals, morgues, funeral homes, crematoriums, and common suicide spots. So for a ghoul it is safer to hunt and murder humans, with the way the law is written, since they can move around and vary their patterns of hunting.

When you see a scavenger ghoul in the manga, that ghoul is living a more perilous life than a ghoul that murders. Yet those ghouls care enough about humans to take the harder lifestyle for their morals and principles.

In regards to Arata. Are you saying that because he had the capacity to be very dangerous he should be locked up or killed. :Sarcasm On: Most people have the capacity to be dangerous, I guess we all should be locked up or killed. :Sarcasm Off:

Hinami's mom was possibly a special case. I think ghouls with her sort of mentality would tend to die young in the current state of the TG world. However, there was probably more than one ghoul in the 20th ward like her. In my opinion, Ishida gives each character a unique outlook on the world to show the readers how diverse the world is. I assume there are other people in his world that are very similar in outlook.

I agree that the biological need for ghouls to eat human or ghoul flesh is the core conflict of the manga. However that doesn't mean that ghouls have to or want to murder people. The CCG has the power of the law, ghouls have no rights as people. The weight of responsibility is on the CCG. Their laws and their style of enforcement of those laws cause a cycle of violence with ghouls."

Sorry for late response

Well, if we go past ghouls biology root cause for Tsukiyama family deeds to be crimes is that it is a crime to commit murder. If ghouls murdering people were to be legal they wouldn't be persecuted. It is also worth of note that killing is most expedient way of procuring food for a ghoul, the easiest. As for "Shuu being the Gourmet was a spoiled rich boy antic and constantly endangered his family" from a certain point of view thats certainly true, but it is also true that he killed and maimed on a whim.

For your second point, tell me how many scavenger ghouls did we see in the manga? As far as I can remember that would be Arata, and Yomo with Ryouko expresing intent to do so personaly. Granted, Yomo was acting on behalf of entire Anteiku, but it seem to be aditional food source not main one - 20 ward was divided on hunting grounds and even the relatively weak ghouls as one that Mado and Nishio killed hunted. What Yomo gathered seems to go to ghoul orphaned children (like Touka and Ayato right after Arata was captured, we see that as teens they already hunted) ghouls to old to hunt (here you should keep in mind Kie Muramatsu aka Aplehead), possibly Yoshimura and probably to rest of Anteiku affiliated ghouls as aditional food. And thats it: 2 characters among hundreds we see or hear of in manga. When we see scavenger ghoul we see something extraordinarely rare. Scavenging is also very unreliable - there is no significant number of corpses just laying around. People tend to commit suicide either at their homes or at public places so their bodies for most part remaines unattainable. As for morgues and funeral homes I'll keep comment short (post is long enough) and say that people don't want that their loved ones remains to end up as someones lunch. Hospitals are even greater problem, just think would you go to hospital that you suspect for illegal organ harvesting. I guess that what I want to say is that scavenging as exclusive or even primary mode of fedding for ghouls is so negligable that dosen't warrant for change in policies for CCG especially such a profound one.

In regard to Arata. My comment on him being extremly dangerous was directed solely on him being kakuja. As for Arata in general, I think that previous paragraph covers that topic adequately.

Of Ryouko Fueguchi I really don't have what to ad.

As for diversity of outlooks I hope we see a bit more of it or at least more diverse characters on page.

Lastly, wheter they want to or not killing people remains only practical way for vast majority of ghouls to procure food and it would be quite unreasonable to expect from humanity at large to condone that. CCG doesn't make laws or policies (that's responsibility of Diet) they simply implements them. And I'll repeat again conflict doesn't come from CCG but ghouls. If CCG (or something simmilar) wouldn't existed there would still be violence,  it would just be one sided slaughter of humans.

Jack Snipe

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