Talk:Clowns/@comment-186.81.176.124-20150730015404/@comment-26231946-20150730032518

Who did they kill in canon? And what other suffering did they cause?

Kaneki? Souta indirectly saved him from Rize. "Turned him into ghoul"? - you mean Kanou.

Rize? She was endangering 20th ward with her binge eating.

Yamori? He was kept alive in Cochlea because he knew info about them, not because the Clowns sent him there.

Mutsuki? Please give me one pannel wjere she cries out and dies because of Uta's words.

Yoshimura? Give me one pannel that they ratted out the coffee shop.

Hirako? He doesn't appear to suffer and we dont know of his hatred in Arima is real.

Ami? She was cruel enough to push another person into danger like Kaneki. How do we know she was all innocent before dating Souta?

You see what I mean, there is npt even such things as pulling the strings. We all think they did it because they are cruel at laughing on another person but there is a difference between causing it and observing it. If I were to say "indirect" - would it be because they made Yamori into a sadist and then Kaneki was tortured? No, that is simple ridiculous because they couldn't have forseen Yamori meeting Kaneki and torturing him like 10 years earlier. If you want to think it that they are evil then fine but there is no such canon evidence that they are the one who caused it. All are because of domino and karma effect.