Talk:Ken Kaneki/@comment-151.44.53.192-20151122155638/@comment-68.206.245.91-20151122164818

Kaneki's rating was SS with his Kakuja, so you figure he's roughly an S rate with only his Kagune. That was off surpressants and cannabalizing often.

Scale forward, Haise is on heavy suppressants and not cannabalizing any other ghouls. Yet he was able to take on a group of enemies who were roughly A. That puts him at either an A or possibly up to an S. I believe this is primarily due to the fact that he underwent training with Arima and knows how to fight with a Quinque and his Kagune (which is still fairly exceptional).

I believe that Shirazu's Kagune 'evolving' was in response to a need. Like how someone can lift a car to save a child. He probably screwed himself up really bad but if his Kakuhou is 'free' he's probably expecting to get fairly strong. If he survives.