Talk:Re: Chapter 56/@comment-90.204.177.135-20151207150723/@comment-27361104-20151209101236

@ DreamSempai, I did have those points in my when making that post but they do not change my view.

Eto's abilities as a ghoul is evidence of her uniqueness but that is not to say that she is invincible. Let me repeat what I have been saying. Eto lost to Arima who did not have much trouble fighting her. Now, Kaneki has been trained to fight just like Arima. Adding the fact that this is a new Kaneki whose mind has been liberated, the outcome of this fight is not so surprising. Please also remember that Arima is not a ghoul and has not been cannibalising, yet, he bested Eto. So, cannibalising as it relates to Eto is really only significant regarding the level of her RC cells, raw power and maybe her regenerative ability. I strongly support the idea that she is not dead.

About battle experience, just within 1 year of the time skip, Haise achieved the  Golden Osmanthus Medal. This, along with the fact that he trained with Arima and his previous experience with ghouls, although not as vast as what Eto might possess, I would say it is sufficient. Like you mentioned, Kaneki is also a fast learner, etc. Please don't call other people's views nonsensical if the only support you would give yours is the fact that it would be a "plot hole". I usually see this when people just don't like something.

I am not trying to advocate this new Kaneki to be the strongest ghoul. This might well be the case but I don't think so. I don't even believe he will be a match for an after time-skip Sachi if he has improved in my opinion. On the point of cannibalising, look at how powerful Sachi is. Although it has not been explicitly mentioned, I don't think he cannibalises, otherwise, he would have a Kakuja right?

Not trying to take Eto's lustre away but atleast try not to ignore that points that are so glaring. She asked, "who is stronger, you or Arima?". Are you implying that in determining the answer to her question, she went easy on Kaneki but did not go easy of Arima? wouldn't that skewer the results? There is also the fact that she went insanely feral in her fight against Kaneki when she came loose. Did that not look serious to you? The only way I would stand down on these points is if I am convinced she went easy on Arima too. If not, it is obvious that Eto is weak against this type of fighting style. It really is as simple as that. Raw battle power and regenerative ability do not necessarily make you the strongest.

This post is getting too long so I will end it with this. I fully understand that Eto had a plan coming into this. She wanted to make Kaneki the Second King/New Owl, so it is not obsurd to say that she foresaw her defeat if Kaneki was strong enough. This was a test, no doubt about that, but it was a serious one. Even if she wasn't serious at the end of :re 55, it got serious in 66. Karren/Kanae was the examiner she prepared to awaken Kaneki but seeing as how Haise (not Kaneki) was prevailing, Eto interferred. Karren managed to awaken Kaneki, got put out of commission and then the Head of Department (Eto) stepped up. The rest is history.