Talk:Ayato Kirishima/@comment-82.11.59.178-20150617133337/@comment-26509016-20150619123000

For me it's rather Seidowl > Juuzou > Ayato.

Though Ayato would've won the fight against Juuzou in the end, you gotta keep in mind that Juuzou didn't have his "Juuzou's Jason" with him. Instead he fought with some weak knives, since they were everything he could take with him. With his scythe, he would've been far stronger, and eventually would've won. And even if we didn't see Ayato fighting seriously, we know that he did. First of all, Ayato isn't the type of ghoul that takes enemies lightly. Secondly, Juuzou is most likely well known within the Ao Giri Tree. Ayato wouldn't miss the chance to take down someone like Juuzou.

As for why I think Takizawa is stronger than both of them... I simply think that everyone is underestimating him. Look at it like this:

Kaneki: Started off as a weak boy with no battle experience, neither practice nor theory. He got the kakuhou of a strong ghoul implanted. He had half a year in which he trained his body, combat skills and canibalized other ghouls. And in the end, he was able to take down groups of top-tier investigators (unarming them, far more difficult than killing them) and was able to destroy IXA's deffense plus scratching Arima, something that's already like a miracle for ghouls.

Takizawa: Started off as an investigator, eventually with a far stronger and more trained body (also stated in chapter 143), has low combat experience, but still more than Kaneki. Gets the kakuhou of one of the very strongest ghouls implanted. Has 2 1/2 years (!) of hard training, torture and manipualtion, with the sole goal to make him become as strong as possible, and making him cannibalize ghouls for a far longer time than Kaneki did.

Don't underestimate Seidowl. He'll show us one hell of a strenght.