Talk:Roma Hoito/@comment-104.254.93.176-20171025041415/@comment-27247962-20171025224254

^you initiate some good points, but the way you motivate them is awful.

Your founder/relative-argument is justly questioned, why should that say anything about someone's power. Realistically it shouldn't, but we also can't deny it's not about the power but the importance or value it attaches to a certain character and valuable characters need to be able to stand their own. Not necessarily through raw power, but at least be able to fend for themselves.

1. Tatara is said to be exteremely strong several times. Focusing your argument around his power and making it seem like he wasn't considered strong, is twisting the truth to support your claim of the other guy misreading or misinterpreting an event. But in this case you are not staying true to the facts of the series. Houji explicitly said Tatara might very well be stornger than his brother

2. I agree that Roma is not a fighter or that should be the natural conclusion to explain her loss and her former attitude, but that a 51 year old ghoul isn't experienced with her own kakuja is a rather weak-sounding argument. Definitily when the first 15 chapters tells us how rare it is for a ghoul to become old, which makes those who do get old quite formidable and self-evidently quite experienced. To say Roma lacked experience, is like saying every other big character is a prodigy at using their kagune or kakuja... Cuz she doesn't lack experience and the only conclusion then would be those characters just being exceptionally and prodigily superior. Urie is clearly one of them. And that could be easily taken as the author saying 'experience' is a relative and inconsequential thing to have in this story, which would be all but how realism works.

The moment you start an argument that focuses on power you're debating a losing battle, because you should deny the importance of power in this story, not by downgrading a character's power but saying it is a relative factor for Ishida. Ishida doesn't shy away for blunt contra-intuitiveness in the capabilities that his characters posess, but Ishida is one that aims for a certain result and he'll mow through any character that forms trouble in reaching that point. And since he writes that way, he ends up leaving far too obvious hints about who is safe from his hammer of destruction, cuz he wants that character to play an important role in the next step of the story.

Ishida is also not one to create realistic fights, so claiming Ishida is really realistic by only talking about the factor that is probably the least realistic of them all, power/battles. Not very convincing. Yet he is extremely realistic in the things completely opposite of battle. He's extremely good at giving layer upon layer of characterdepth to his different characters. He knows how to somewhat realistically flesh out a character's psyche and that is his forte.

I'm willing to go as far as to say battle/powers are things that Ishida had to insert from his editor or from the editorial departement, because that's a must have, which he might've kept to even more of a minimum if they didn't expect him to put it in. The fact that he skips a fight whenever he's able to, shows this aversion for everything battle-related, while a shounen author eagerly works towards his next big physical confrontation with the baddy or new baddy. or whoever. Ishida works towards moments of bonding, special meet-ups, like Amon & Kaneki, Kaneki & Touka,Kaneki & Akira, Kaneki & Rize, Uta & Yomo, Touka & Ayato, Hinami & Kaneki, Furuta & his father, Urie & Iwao --> Furuta, Kaneki & Hide. That's what he desires to show us more than anything else.