Talk:Ken Kaneki/@comment-50.158.162.51-20160330185344/@comment-27376148-20160330223530

many ppl love him: hide, touka, hinami, shuu, hinami etc but look where that led us - the most important thing is for kaneki to love himself, to value his own live, to fight to be alive. this was what various ppl tried to get into his head, but in the end even hide wasnt able to do this (and honestly he knew kaneki the best and longest if he cant manage it the others would fail too).

its all abt kaneki in the end when it comes to his life like with everyone you cant redeem someone other than you, you cant talk it into another to continue living or value their own life - as long as they dont come to this conclusion themself, so as long as kaneki continues to not belive that his live is worth living (like hes currently) - that he is worth being alive - no matter who is going to tell him be it amon, touka, hide or whoever it will have no effect.

imo he was on the right way in v14 bc he went all out in his fight against arima he fought for his own there so he must have had sth in his head that led him believing that it was worth to fight for himself and not just like he currently is just fight to die - the problem is he apparently doesnt remember anymore why he fought so hard in v14, he thinks he simply failed dying and that he wanted it and now he wants it again.