Talk:Ken Kaneki/@comment-26653902-20151108213555/@comment-26653902-20151109015406

@Dalaios

Again, I didn't say Arima is nice guy and I would appreciate it if you didn't make that assumption. Once again, grey morality in this series and multiple dimensions to characters this series.

I thought I'd mentioned that the "You are my Quinque" thing was a deliberate provocation, but it seemed I didn't specifically mention it here (I had in a Tumblr reply), i.e. I didn't ignore that; I just lumped that into "provocation." Again, I saw that as Arima intentionally saying si and threatening him with death as that push to make Haise feel a killing intent towards him. So he'd fight on.

The reason for Haise saying "Kill Arima" instead of kill the enemy is because that situation was traumatizing enough to trigger him into reliving that moment before going into full kill mode. Hence, why I said I'm sure the part him stating the body is his

Does this make it more clear that I'm not saying Arima is a perfect angel?

I've also stated before that training like this would leave some mental scars, as evidenced by him becoming triggered.

Someone on Tumblr also made an interesting point in their reply that Haise had always drawn on Arima and Akira for strength whenever he's im a tough spot. In a strange way, you could say he did that right here as well.

Besides, it doesn't make much sense why he'd mutter "Kill Arima" when Arima is miles away as he moves to kill someone who's decidedly not Arima. I say it's a war flashback and Haise was reliving that moment.

Once again, I am in no way justifying what Arima did as right or anything. I would say the emotional attack was crossing the line, in fact, though it certainly was effective.

I don't believe at all that Arima is pure. One would have to be in serious levels of denial to think that. But I also believe that even if he didn't care about Haise at the begin, he does now. But of course, we shall see.

All this interaction showed is that their relationship is complicated and nothing else. Whichever way it goes is subjective to each person until the full reveal. Until then, I'll debate on my counterargument to everyone to the end.