Talk:Eto Yoshimura/@comment-201.221.172.118-20160215201833/@comment-27204325-20160216024057

I never said she did anything wrong or that she was punishing bad people. I'm saying that most of the people she tortures or manipulates shouldn't really be pitied.

Like I said, anything that happens with the Doves is what it is. Juuzou tortured and massacred ghouls happily, and all he ever got from Shinohara was a light scolding. And Doves have been trying to kill her since she was a kid, Shinohara personally. Not to mention that she could have just killed Shinohara, Juuzou and Koori right there in the time she took to torture Shinohara.

And again, so she made Seidou eat his parents. They kill ghouls with the bodies of their own children, parents and loved ones all the time. Get the irony?

Kanae deserved everything Kanae got. She certainly didn't hesitate to torture, kidnap, or kill anyone for her own personal motivation. Kaneki himself set her up to die, and it was the right thing to do.

I never said Kaneki changed her. But I do think this change in Kaneki is for the better. Haise was a brain damaged man-child terrified of his own shadow. The current Kaneki may not seem like he cares about his friends, but the first thing he did after waking up was perform the very difficult task of saving Shuu's life from an entire legion of Doves whose only purpose there was to kill him.

And why do you think he doesn't care about Shirazu? He cradled his dead body with the rest of the Qs after he saved Shuu. Just because he isn't babysitting grown men and women doesn't mean he doesn't give a shit about them, but they had to grow up. Look at how they function now compared to when they refused to work as a group, acted like spoiled brats and leaned on Haise when things got hard. What was the first thing Urie asked him when he showed up: "Where were you?" That mentality eventually would have gotten them all killed.

So, no, I can't go with evil. She can obviously be very cruel, but you should keep in mind that almost everyone in this story is a mass murderer, so you have to be careful with extreme moral judgments.