Talk:Re: Chapter 153/@comment-217.209.94.177-20171212092629/@comment-27347196-20171213093554

^^^ Now that is not how it works.

"Killing someone on impulse isn't murder, neither is being careless and running someone over with your car."

One case might be your mental state of not thinking and doing thing in moment while other of you being irresponsible or accident but in both cases results aren't changed. Somebody has lost life because of it. Only time murder is justified is in said self-defense.

In my personal opinion that law obviously disagrees, killing someone who harmed many (like serial killers) isn't something that should be given jail for but medal hah! Of course law would beg otherwise but in my opinion these type of killers who take care of other trash who enjoy these activities are heroes not criminals.

Now Kaneki doesn't fit in either of these categories.

His motivation was to survive to see Touka. Touka, his prime motivation. While Kaneki killing Hajime and Oggai would count as self-defense. Killing hundreds of civilians is not!

He might not do this intentionally, but it still counts as murder. Put yourself in one of these civilians shoes for example. Imagine you yourself losing someone dear to you, watching someone dear to you die in grotesque manner to kaiju like beast.

Would you truly after all is done shake your hands with person who was responsible being like "Aaaa no big deal man."? Doubtful.

And Kaneki is himself to blame for situation he found himself in as Furuta nicely poked fun at. He was too passive, letting his enemy fain all power he wanted and instead of doing something as well, he done nothing. He let his people starve due his ideals, for some reason "infamous forest" got discovered only later in story for pure plot convince so entire Oggai's attack on Goat can happen. And in end he thought to play hero by coming alone to rescue, finding himself in situation he was, being forced to consume Oggai for his survival.

You can't say Kaneki didn't find himself in this situation thanks to himself in first place.

"And that's why most fans (and in-universe characters) would forgive Kaneki even though he killed a ton of civilians."

And this is where you're correct for some part.

We as fans? Sure. Personally I give no crap for neither Oggai or #random_number innocent human that got dead. Ghouls, those that follow Kaneki and Touka obviously don't care for any of it. Others who also share some form of relationship with him won't care. But civilians, government and V, definitely won't hold hands with Kaneki and be happy to see him, wishing him best of his life once he is out.

Even though he does it unconsciously, results of it can't be justified to those he caused harm and they won't care for reasons especially those reasons being "I kinda let my enemy grab all power he wanted but I didn't do a thing to try and stop him ... letting all happen ... resulting in situation I was ...yeah" LoL.

Look at real life criminals who have murder in their record and you'll find Kaneki there. Like one who was drunk, woke up to dead body not remembering what happened. One who got too high and commit murder to regret it later on. One suffering from mental illness, blacking out and when he comes to his senses he finds out there is dead body next him with his hands covered in blood of that person. There is even case of killing while sleep-walking.

See it now? All of them are Kaneki's own case and even though none of them wanted it to happen, nothing changes results. Someone's life was lost. Somebody won't see another day and that somebody was child of someone, perhaps someone who even had a child and they won't be coming back to them. "Sorry, I didn't wanted to do that." isn't going to change that. In this case, murder is murder!

To shorten this post: As far as Kaneki goes in eyes of us readers, we don't see it as big deal because he is character of story and those he killed aren't anyone we give shit for.

But, when we talk about TG-verse, then actions of Kaneki are unjustifiable to people he terrorized. They were only justifiable to the point in where he was killing Oggai and CCG as that is how far self-defense goes but not when he started killing those that weren't even involved.

Once more, do take in note I'm not saying "Kaneki needs to die" for killing ones I myself don't give shit for. Only reminder that Tokyo (in TG-verse) won't share this mindset or have much sympathy for kaiju monster, except those that have personal relationships with him. You can't expect Kaneki to be welcomed or Tokyo's hero or even seen as victim by Tokyo's citizens. Normal citizens of Tokyo won't care, just like nobody ever cares what makes some villain in story a villain as all you know is that villain needs to be stopped regardless of sobbing story they might have.

It is same mindset in TG-verse itself. Those that love him want to save him because of it, those that couldn't give less shit for him or even don't know him, just want to stop rampaging kaiju monster at all costs necessary. If he does get saved then life of walking in sunshine saying hi to his neighbors won't be possible.

He will need to live somewhere else together with his loved ones in peace, get new identity as Kaneki Ken isn't name he'll be able to carry with pride.