Talk:Arata/@comment-142.129.64.91-20161109025334

I feel it's a bit unfair to say Proto II "could not stand against Kakuja Kaneki." The fight, more or less, was essentially a draw. You can claim Kaneki may have held back as much as you want, but the wiki is supposed to be about showcasing facts rather than pseudo-facts based on speculation.

Had it not been for Hide and Aogiri, but Ken and Amon would have died. I believe it's much closer to a draw than it is a clear-cut Kaneki victory.