Talk:Seidou Takizawa/@comment-121.96.57.139-20160206090142/@comment-121.96.57.139-20160206151704

So a copy paste from a post below which explains who would win.

" A fairly long post:

Anteiku Raid Kaneki would beat Seidou low to mid difficulty. If Sasaki, someone who is constantly portrayed as being weaker than his former self was able to draw with Seidou in his incomplete kakuja state without relying on his own kakuja, Anteiku Raid Kaneki would have little trouble beating down even half-kakuja Seidou even without his kakuja. Anteiku Raid Kaneki basically soloed 3 of the 4 squads during the raid on Anteiku with little difficulty and without killing anyone, and was said by Amon to be capable of taking on the main forces(Squad 1) of the CCG during the raid by his lonesome. He would also have definitely put up a better fight against Arima had he remained calm and not panic and lose his focus before the eyestab. He did simultaneously evade Narukami and IXA being used in synchronization with a hole in his head.

I'd wager that the Kaneki that beat Eto is Anteiku Raid Kaneki if he was calm, collected, pissed and was ready to kill(minus an arm and quinque skills.) It would also make more sense because him going into a long dream(Amnesia) after his defeat by Arima would have meant no room for a power-up, as opposed to him suddenly being outrageously stronger than his pre-timeskip self when he was previously in a deep slumber before taking over Sasaki.

I'd put base form Takizawa around Aogiri Kaneki's level and his incomplete kakuja state between Kanou Lab Kaneki and Kanekipede. Makes sense if Sasaki is able to fight him to a draw with a weaker kagune. Even Kaneki was able to beat Yamori when he had a vastly weaker kagune at that time against his kakuja purely because he was a smarter fighter and better tactician. Same case with the Eto fight where Eto somehow lost control mid-fight.

Also, end of TG Kaneki>Shachi. 6 centipede tails? 8 giant ass kagune? Fifty-feet Kagune that's wider than a man's height? Amon comparing him to a one man army? Heck, he was even confident he could take on the Arata v2 without relying on his kakuja just by basing on his fight with Shinohara, indicating that he CAN take on the Arata. Problem is that the improved Arata is so much more powerful than the Arata Kaneki broke, though. He most likely used his Kakuja because he wants to end it quickly after learning the mistake from thinking that he was able to incapacitate Shachi. I'm confident he could take on the Arata v2, without his kakuja after a really close fight, though.

Rant over."