Talk:Tooru Mutsuki/@comment-31190419-20170226033102/@comment-27247962-20170228075817

Hmmm okay, Edgy. That's all well & good if you think about it, but I find it considerably more complex, sensitive & difficult then you make it out to be. If you have to specifically adress every individual in a certain manner, that's just nuts. We can do it for everyone who feels he falls off the normal gender grid, but just imagine when we have to do that with every individual that either 'wants to be seen as' (a group he/she relates with) or 'doesn't want to be considered as' (a group he/she doesn't want to be related with).

I agree with what you say, if they clearly prefer a certain pronoun, i'll gladly listen to his/her wishes. But let's just keep the discussion to Mutsuki's specific case &  not start lecturing someone about how he should treat all the individuals in the trans-community, based on an impression you get from a person criticizing a fictional character in a similar situation. You don't know how someone behaves towards LGBT's, regardless of what he writes here, so you've got more chance of it coming over as nagging & irritating, rather then helpful. But I do appreciate you going out of your way to specify on how to sensibly talk about them.

I disagree with a lot of the acquisations or conclusions you've drawn, but we're limited to words on here, nothing to do about that & anything can easily be interpreted in the wrong way when you're used to the insensitivity of fora's & it's people.

The problem as far as I can see now (which isn't that far when it comes to this type of discussions) is that a certain clear structure (gender-ID male/female) is getting messed up under the mum of discrimination. What a dogma is for a certain person, can be a certainty for another, because it gives structure. Dogma's are essentially facts that have been debunked over the years. At least give people the time to adapt. And if you want to speed up that proces, lend us a structure to abide by. Similarly to all those family-charts you had to learn in biology when it came to plants & animals. If they're not satisfied with male or female, then we'll have to make sidebranches, name them & try to have a logical pattern to figure out step by step which type of person someone is & how to adress that someone. (You can write me on my wall if you want to elaborate on this, which isn't related to Mutsuki anymore)

'''But back to Mutsuki. The point i'm backing is that of a gender-neutral identification. I'm choosing 'she', not because i'm supporting the side that says she's female, but because Mutsuki herself gives me that option. She's gender neutral, so just like you i'm more inclined to lean towards non-binary or whatever terms fit best with that.'''