Talk:Touka Kirishima/@comment-178.62.104.33-20160813101140/@comment-27247962-20160814142954

Thanks to a certain Anon, I've now got my hands on the novels as well! I didn't even know they exist XD It's going to be a long one again & you can contest whatever I concluded, but i'm quite certain i'm interpreting things in the right way.

The novel gives some more insight on Kaneki and Touka's relationship. I was quite shocked that they almost used the same words as I used regarding their relationship, only difference is that mine has a more negative connotation, because I don't like that kind of relationship build-up.

“So long as a superior-subordinate relationship exists, it’s very hard to speak as equals. In order to make everyone feel safe, the leader must face everything with a resolute stance and the people under them, even if they must restrain themselves, will try to accept all of the leader’s decisions.

” “Yes. If he did something stupid, if it were Touka, she’d hit him and cut him off, but Kaneki-kun’s current companions could probably only watch him by his side in silence.”

And with that my thoughts about their relationship are confirmed. I still can't let go that they say Kaneki and Touka were equals at that point, i'd say Touka was the superior one, but Kaneki soon outgrew the safety her aggressive assisstance gave him and he could now take care of himself. And with that realization, she suddenly became much more honest with her own feelings towards Kaneki and how much he means to him. She suddenly wants things to go back like they were, but can't wrap her head around why that didn't happen. And once again her incapability of understanding herself and for the most part why Kaneki behaves like he does, expresses itself in a burst of anger and frustration.

The simple thing she needed to realize is that she not only needed to be honest with herself, but also with Kaneki and TALK or give the man some HINTS to how she feels about him. Even if Kaneki was somewhat capable of understanding Touka through her aggressive nature and the beatings, you can't expect the boy to be able to look into your heart and count on Kaneki to give her what she wants and take the first step and whatnot, so she can keep her pride and honor and just because she is too goddamn stubborn to understand that she has a part to play as well if she wants Kaneki to stay close to her.

Kaneki realized two things about Touka when they came to save him from Aogiri. That Touka needs to be as far away from all the cruelty the ghoul world brings with it and that she needs time to convert all that anger into something she is passionate about. And Kaneki would make sure to protect her by keeping that world as far from her as he possibly could.

Touka still stubbornly held on to the thought that she was of importance, that she needs to bring justice and that she plays a big role in cleansing the misery of the ghoulworld, but she has barely anything to do with it and that realization came crushing down on her through Kaneki rejecting her assistance. He would be fighting the fight, she always said she would fight herself, but never did. She never wanted to aknowledge that weak side of hers, that she is too goodnatured to bring any difference by fighting. And once she realized that her character completely changed and she found another way to fight against the unfairness and she became much more mellow.

So no offence, but when Touka herself is the biggest reason for all the trouble and unfairness she finds herself in, I'm not really a fan of hers if she still blames others off not understanding her or leaving her alone. She has to thank it all to herself, she never tried to understand herself and she never tried to make others understand the realizations she already made about herself. She never allowed someone else to help her, but still expects someone to stay near her. And that's the biggest reason for me disliking her character.

Just as others her character is a beauty if you just look at how it's written, but when it comes down to personal preference and characteristics I like in a female protagonist, she barely passes the mark. And people should realize that disliking a character is based on personal preference and characteristics you like and not based on how a character is written.

Been awhile since I went this deep into the biography and personality of a character.