Talk:Ken Kaneki/@comment-72.177.208.28-20160313060619/@comment-27361104-20160313181928

@ Zero7772 There are a few theories out there for Haise and Kaneki being weaker than this current "awakened" Kaneki. There was the part about him liking getting hit. Eto hints at this when she bashes him during the fight with Kanae, and in his internal monologue, this is also hinted at regarding his mother beating him. This might answer your question about why he didn't show those skills properly before he awakened. The only person who can tell us most accurately about Kaneki's issues is Ishida but I am doubting he knows completely at this point jk jk.

I would say the Tsukiyama in :re is stronger than the one in the original, after all, the former was about to form a Kakuja if not for the fact that his bloodline inherently can't. Regardless though, in the original, kaneki wanted to beat Tsukiyama in order for him to be able to go and fight. In :re, he had to fight him because Tsukiyama was coming at him with his life on the line. There are differences, you should not overlook them.

I don't know about Centipede being faster than Haise. Haise could play with Arima on that table for a while, Kaneki couldn't. While you can make the distinction that one was a real fight and the other was not, I would say Haise learnt from Arima, the person who blitz Centipede. Many people have pointed out how Haise fights very much like Arima. Even if he is not Arima level, I would say he one-ups Centpede in that regard.

About Touka beating Tsukiyama. Have in mind that almost everyone in Tokyo ghoul grows stronger with time, not only the main character. Eto, Sachi, Ayato, BANJOU, etc. So, the fact that she beat him way back when, does not automatically mean she can do it again...unless she also got stronger.