Talk:Commission of Counter Ghoul/@comment-24231905-20150430094429/@comment-171.159.64.10-20150521132416

Quinque's are as strong as steel, but lighter and WAY more versatile. Therefore, before quinque's existed they fought with pure steel swords like samurai's. It took a lot more Arima level warriors I'm sure, but a steel sword has the capability to take out a non kakuja.

This is also how Rize was able to be defeated by steel beams falling on her.