Talk:Re: Chapter 169/@comment-111.65.32.120-20180416204402/@comment-10733658-20180417211103

I think the thing to remember about Investigator vs Ghoul battles is what we've been told on a few occasions. Ghoul Investigators don't rely solely on physical strength to win battles, but rather on trickery and luck. As Kureo Mado explained, it's often a matter of them using any possible advantage in a fight, and never hesitating to use dirty tactics because a human cannot possibly win in a straight fight against a ghoul.

In terms of Donato's defeat, I think it was a genuine loss that he's had to deal with all these years. He lost not only his ideal hunting ground/cover identity, but they also took away his son. That seems to be the thing he resents the most, as he references Mikito Urie having taken away something very important from him.

I think the audience tends to get hung up on strength and ratings, while ignoring that Ishida very rarely actually plays battles based on pure strength. Every battle is a combination of strength, skill, wits, and pure dumb luck. Even the strongest can end up being defeated, because of a dirty tactic or just plain crappy luck.

Donato's defeat was likely a result of Mikito and Iwao having incredible fundamentals (strength, skill, team work) and them getting just plain lucky. Somewhere in the fight, Donato made a mistake or his opponents' got very lucky. And they exploited it to the fullest extent, and managed to restrain him in that instant.

If I had to guess at a potential mistake or weakness, it may have been Amon himself.