Talk:Touka Kirishima/@comment-27143318-20151031170043/@comment-27143318-20151102051501

@Harostar

I meant the fandom. Although I disagree with you on your next point - fighting as a CCG investigator is not safe at all. Just in these last few chapters he and his subordinates have already fought Noro and Kanae. He also fought Takizawa at the Auction. Sounds like a pretty straightforward way to die in my eyes. As a ghoul he didn't really have to fight much until he was kidnapped by Aogiri and afterwards it was his own will that made him fight, not circumstances. In contrast, after joining the CCG he is basically constantly fighting. He has a good standard of living indeed, but he doesn't have his old connection. He can no longer meet the people who saved him when he was in the most dire situation of his life, the people who cared for him and taught (or at least tried to teach) him to fend for himself. The same people that assaulted Aogiri in order to save him. That seems like a massive loss to me. Besides, he was living a good life in Anteiku too - it wasn't anything luxurious, but it was OK.

Tsukiyama was wrong, but what he wanted to do was right, as weird as it sounds. Yes, he selfishly wanted to bring Kaneki back to the ghoul world. He wanted to do that by helping him remember. However, remembering doesn't mean that Kaneki would go back. It would simply give him a choice whether to go back or not. Touka could've also been more careful in approaching Kaneki and taking her time to find the best way to help him remember without endangering anything or anyone, or at least take the time to consider doing that. I would've been OK with that, since she'd at the very least be conflicted about it and it'd be slightly more realistic considering the history between her and Kaneki. One of the issues is precisely her saying that Kaneki needs to be protected from his memories, thus not giving him the chance to choose.

I think you were pretty much spot-on on the Anteiku downfall stuff, but as to the development of Touka and Ayato, Ayato seems much more well developed IMHO. We saw him lash out and do rash, sharp actions in :re, just the way he did in TG. He just (at least appears to have) stopped being a brat about it and is more or less acting like a mature person. Touka was kind of mature but troubled even back in TG however. That's why I can't believe that she's changed so much - she's already grown up once when she stopped being an aggressive ghoul and settled at Anteiku. That was her becoming mature, it's just that her issues were still haunting her. She can't just grow up a second time in :re, but she could change, however that process appears to have happened very quickly and also at least appears to have changed her completely to the point of being unrecognisable (if you can point out something that the new Touka has in common with the old one with the exception of being nice to customers I'll strongly reconsider my point of view). It could be that, or it could just be too little screen time. I can't know. You see my point though.