Talk:Re: Chapter 137/@comment-217.209.94.177-20170822084518

Everybody complaining about Roma and Urie seriously needs to start reading the whole thing in a deeper perspective to get the point.

Roma was NEVER stated or shown as a person who stands on the battlefield, one who stands in the spotlight of attention.

She's a member of the audience. A background character who rather stays hidden and watch in the crowd than being in the open.

She even said so herself. In fact, this battle? This was one of the first times seh actually, in her own words, "went up on the stage" in person. meaning that this was one of the first times she went into a fight willingly. She's an "assassin", not a "soldier". Her entire set of tactics either revolve around backstabbing the opponent or shoving a lethal suckerpunch when their guards are completely down, showing that she is the type who rather avoid straight up honest fights all together.

She didn't get her kakuja because she's some "experienced veteran" or anything like that. She got it because she killed a lot of people through overwhelming force, akin of how a bully would beat up a weaker kid, rather than skill or experience.

Overwhelming force that means nothing if she's attacked from behind and off-guard (a taste of her own medicine actually, funnily enough)

Having a kakuja means shite if one doesn't know how to use it. That is what seperate her from Eto, Eto knew how to use hers and had actual combat experience, due to being a main player on the stage with actual fights tucked beneath her belt.

(And only reason she lost to Furuta, was because of malnourishment, since there was no way in hell that a little pate could fuel that giant kakuja for anything longer than a minute, no way. She was running on fumes back there and could easily be taken out without any fuel left to fight with. A lot of people seems to either be too ignorant to realize this or maybe too shounen-minded to see beyond the surface, either eway, the naggers are wrong in that regard as well.)

Roma got her kakuja because she was hungry, not because she wanted one, so to her, it's basically just a bigger hammer to hit people with. Just because she's 51 years old, it doesn't mean that she got the battle-experience to back her up, especially considering that she's a little slothful schemer who rather have others do her job just so she can watch people suffer for shit and giggles.

Having a kakuja and knowing how to use a kakuja are two completely different things, something that has been shown repeatedly through the series with the other kakujas. Without knowledge, a rifle is just a iron pipe with a wooden handle. Same thing for Rize's kakuhou, which was absolutely worthless in the back of its original owner, but became the most powerful weapon in the series when shifting hands to people with the knowledge to make the best of it.

Roma and Rize are similar in this regard = Lazy hedonists without the motivation to put in any effort to improve themselves in anyway, using their powers as mere tools to mess around with.

Her ranking of "SSS"? Brute force and impressions made by CCG, only. No tactics, no smarts, no experience, only brute force. And considering that her kakuja wasn't enough to even break Urie, it shows that it was just a overinflated goofy ballon-animal, something a clown would make, used for intimidation and to eat people with.

Her loss to Urie was justified, since a little schemer, an "assassin" against a frontline fighter, a "shielder", in a straight up fight? It's the defeat for the "assassin" who is far too fragile and out of their depths without the element of surprise to take advantage of.

Urie winning over her was a given with these aspects accounted for, (which is a bit sad considering that nobody will ever learn of his achievment in this fight, since Roma is a unknown, nobody knows that she ever has been a SSS outside that office, and all witnesses are either gone or not going to say anything either. His victory over Roma was nothing but a empty one without zero credit to its name. Add that to losing the reason for the battle and he really only earned one thing, some great character development.)

Tokyo Ghoul is not some skin-deep shounen. It is a complex series that requires the treaders to be able to think beyond what is shown on the panels, deeper and deeper, and think on the circumstances themselves with what info is provided them. Roma's attitude, her personality, her tactics, her approach to life, fighting and others, all played a role in her defeat, as it was not due to factors regarding Urie that decided the outcome, but the flaws of her as well.

Why can't people see this? Why do they only see everything skin-deep and complain and nag about things just because they can't understand them just from this skin-deep layer of perception?

Tokyo Ghoul is not that shallow as a shounen is...It requires indepth percpetion and logic to be fully appreciated...

...it is not a series for (...). (I will leave that sentence open.)

This was an excellent fight and writing, I have re-read and watched it over and over, and appreciate the character development Urie got, the tragedy of the outcome in the battle and the backstory behind Roma that justified her having a kakuja at all.

Kakuja are not "insta-powerful OP abilities". It is just another tool for a character to use.

And tools are worthless if the knowledge to use them are lacking.

Just wanted to make this clear.