Talk:Noro/@comment-27244327-20151127070722/@comment-188.4.209.38-20151127092813

saeki is considered an A rating ghoul and he was overpowered by urie and shirazu still at F2 frame.

also saeki was beaten by tooru withpout the use of kagune only  knives and doves training.

after the frame release urie became stronger and he also trained vigorously for a long time period.

even if you are at the lowest part of the food chain training hard can change your status.

what most people make when they compare character is too alway compare them with sentimental fact(hes badass he crazy he has them ruthless smiles and he chopped a head etc)

instead of using proven facts(kagune type and manifestation,abilities,regeneration,skills,dodging blows,origin facts:oneyed ghouls when sentimental they upgrade,overall combat ability etc).

the q squad is strong,even stronger that they were in the beggining.they are artificial one eyed ghouls with frames bloking them to be flesh-eaters and they have doves training and weapons on them.

and dont tell me that dove training doesnt count.an amon working not as a dove but as a blue collar worker wouldnt be able to kill an experiened low rate ghoul.stand his ground and escape for sure but the moment the ghoul would use the kagune the fight was over.

the same amon as a motivated  dove with equipment and developed abilities and bang the bin brothers became quinque repair material.

what most people see in the qsquad is their insecurities not their strenth.and because that insecurities cant compare with mad characters weve seen,they are labelled as weak.

shirazu blew up noro like a firecracker.his new projectiles exploded and reduced his mass enough for urie to finish what was left from the lower half.

urie was the first to came back after that teeth filled kagune chomped him.

those are facts.

anyway these are my thoughts on what weve seen.the tokyo ghoul series is awesome and doesnt have boring moments. :)