Talk:Re: Chapter 56/@comment-90.204.177.135-20151207150723/@comment-27308353-20151209215734

Dude, that's the plot hole imo. The fact that Kaneki has a kagune strong enough to beat Eto's, i've argued this before but Kaneki inherited Rize's kagune which was most likely naturally stronger than Jason's Kagune, Kakuja or not. It's not the same for Eto, you are trying to argue that Kaneki without cannibalizing has a stronger kagune than someone who has been cannibalizing for all her life, against Jason it was logical because of what I stated above but against Eto it is a huge plot hole.

So by your logic Kaneki and Haise control a different level of kagune right ? By that logic Kaneki hasn't been in control this whole time which would mean he still possesses the SS rated kagune from before Arima took him out correct ? If not it is weird that he got stronger based off the fact that he hasn't been awake for YEARS. It's pretty obvious that this is a new personality, but the power of feelings shouldn't "liberate" or grant someone extra power in a manga as logical as TG has been. Sure  Kaneki broke Ixa while Eto could not, but no one takes into account that Kaneki death rushed Arima and managed to strategize well enough to land a blow after taking hits.

Not once have I stated that Eto is a smarter fighter than Kaneki, I believe their battle prowess is pretty much the same. But because of that comparison it still stands in question if Eto fought seriously. I will say it again, mentioning Arima being able to defeat Eto without cannibalizing is "Insanely Irrelevant" Arima is an investigator who has been honing his skills with his Quinque all his life, we're debating why Kaneki is strong enough to obliterate Eto like he did and why it may be sensical / nonsensical, this is a discussion focusing on a different character with different abilities.