Talk:Matasaka Kamishiro/@comment-78.184.1.152-20160214022317/@comment-121.96.57.139-20160217143035

Anteiku Kaneki can. Black Reaper definitely will. Let's see, even without using his V14 kagune he still has his kakuja which has 6 centipede tails compared to 2 during the Kanou Lab arc. He has significantly improved his kakuja control to the point of being able to make coherent sentences in it. I can't take you seriously when you're comparing measly punches and kicks to that kagune Kaneki was able to conjure up against Arima. Shachi does NOT have the power to even make a dent on IXA. Not to mention that even in his normal state, he has kagune with the power to easily slice through the Owl's kakuja(which even Jason and various other quinques can't do) if you take into account that Sasaki has shown no signs/implications of cannibalism from his defeat at V14 up until he regained his memories. It is a bit of stretch to say Anteiku Kaneki can kill Shachi, though. Anteiku Kaneki does not kill. I'd also like to mention that Anteiku Kaneki is a lot stronger than the Kaneki Shachi beat. In fact, he's so strong that he effortlessly beat EVERYONE(Special Class Investigators, entire squads of investigators, Tsukiyama, etc.), he's faced up until Amon got the latest version of Arata and his upgraded Doujima. All without the willingness to kill. He easily soloed 3/4 of the forces the CCG had during the raid, granted that most of the powerhouses were all grouped together against the Owl. I mean Amon has stated that Kaneki is capable of turning the tables against the Special Class Investigators that were fighting the manager all on his own, and Hirako has stated that they would have been able to beat Eto had Kaneki not interferred and basically disarmed a majority of the whole attack force. Tsukiyama Extermination Kaneki(post-Sasaki, pre-Black Reaper, one who fought Eto) is basically Anteiku Raid Kaneki if he actually went for the kill. So there's that. Arima's training didn't really helped Kaneki in his fight with Eto as he did not have a quinque, Sasaki does not have Arima's evasive skills as said by Eto "you just love taking a hit don't you? Arima would have evaded that finger flick." , and Kaneki as himself is a naturally skilled fighter with evasive skills on or near Arima's league even before he became Sasaki. See when he was able to calm down a bit and became capable of easily dodging Arima's attacks during V14.