Talk:Matasaka Kamishiro/@comment-114.108.203.10-20150802142959/@comment-26509016-20150805050630

I'm just saying:

- Kaneki's strenght is Haise's strenght (think of Kaneki, who thought that he was using Rize's power all along, though he eventually found out that it was just his own immagination and he was actually fighting with his own power)

- Seidowl may be crazy, but he hasn't shown any sign of being focused on brawn rather than on brain

- Seidowl got rated SS~ in his very first appearance, yet Haise was able to fight him equally for some times after being horribly trashed and exhausted

- I talked about pre-kakuja Kaneki vs. Seidowl. And well... answering my own question: Kaneki would horribly lose, showing that he became dozens of times stronger

Kaneki in the end of TG was fast enough to damage the absolutely fastest character in the manga. And his raw strenght was able to completely destroy an absurdly, absurdly... absurdly big pile in V14. The day Shachi is able to do this as well is the day where I consider him being able to keep up with Haise again (overdoing it a little big, but I guess you get my point).