Talk:Matsumae/@comment-26689808-20151014185712/@comment-212.178.232.101-20151018001638

Concerning several ratings of ghouls and my comments of it:

Koma and Kaya being able to hold their own against spec. class and as.spec. class, first class, ranks 1and 2 would place them comfortably at S+ more so for they have lost their battles. Koma faced ukaku quinque so we could say that he is particuly strong S+, but that is it.

Ayato is a bit more unclear case. In TG he killed as. spec. class, but it was in part surprise atack. In TG:re he fought against Suzuya,(who was at the time already on level with spec. classes) but I'd say that match went the way it went for plot purposses - Ishida didn't want to kill off either of them - so I don't think it was particulary informative. He seems to be trained by Shachi, but we didn't saw results of it - except aforementioned match with Suzuya and him killing some CCG fodder later on in arc. We didn't see anything like Shachi vs. Kaneki, or Kaneki vs. Shinohara, or Haise vs. Takizawa. With such record I'd peg him as particuly strong S+, on level with Koma or (my preference) slightly stronger pushed up for 1 level in CCG rating due to his position as one of Aogiris' commanders. I don't think that he has kakuja, but he wasn't hard-pressed to use it, so its not entirely imposible that he keeps it secret as trump card. It is posible that Hinamis' capture would motivate him to acquire one.

As for Miza and Naki, they are clearly of lower standing than Ayato. Not only are they placed under his autority but they clearly accept it without grumbling or friction - just compare that with Ayato - Naki exchange in Kanou Lab arc. Its clear who is the boss.

However, that doesn't necessitates for Ayato to individualy be SS-rated. In TG Naki is most likely rated S- and that with being Jasons' right-hand man. As individual I'd rated him at A to A+. His kagune isn't particulary large - just compare it with Saekis'  or Kobayashis' or Tsukiyamas' for that matter. He couldn't win against Tsukiyama, he just held his ground for a while. His only victory was against rank 2 - Akira. In TG:re he got stronger. He leads sizable gang and was able to cut through some fodder CCG members: ranks 1 and 2 and some bureau investigators. Still, he was soundly defeted by Akira - first class at the time, but already as good as as. spec. classes and with strong quinque to bout. So, Individualy S-, counting in leadership of White Suites S+. Same for Miza.

Takizawa, on other hand is different story altogether. Pure fighter, with advanced regeneration, partial kakuja, incredible pain tolerance, mad skilz and notable fight he is without doubt SS rated individually and stronger than Ayato.

J.S.