Talk:Kishou Arima/@comment-202.67.37.36-20160403002645/@comment-27247962-20160403234324

Well first of all sorry for intruding!

I agree with what both say to a certain extent & would suggest both of you reading it back from the start. There is a common ground.

I wonder though, Harostar... What is your expertise in "mental illnesses"? In my opinion, there's not really a lot to blame Kaneki for his deathwish. Hide might've been the only one that made a grant effort to curing that mindset of his. And i'm sure you know that people with a mental illness, just as kids, have a separate rulebook to punish them for what the mistakes they've made, should they be apprehended by law&forcement. (looking at it from a real life perspective) Just like that Kaneki's mental "disfunctioning" is most likely the word you are looking for, rather then "illness", is just as forgivable or inexcusable as a child commiting grave mistakes.

Now i'm sure you would consider it equally problematic, if Kaneki had this mindset as a child, I hope...? But I think we need to be flexible when saying an adult has more common sense & needs to be judged accordingly. I think it's better to look at each individual on itself & not the age-category the individual is in.

Every mistake, mindset or awful act can be put in perspective or excused. It's just dependant on the way you view it. You might have the majority backing you in the way you view something as inexcusable or wrong, but you'll never be able to claim unanymity. Numbers don't claim the truth. It's mostly 1 exceptional thinker that comes with new truths. (digressing here & probably lost you already with my point). So in that principle Anon's claim is as legit as yours.

You always overwhelm another reader with a lot information (half off it is beside the point) & that confuses the reader. It's not really Anon here that makes it confusing, but you. You're opinions are mostly backed up by solid arguements, but you tend to loose sight off the main topic & link one thing after another to get in the right on the new topics that come up.

To come to a conclusion, it would suit you to try & let the person you argue with list up is arguements to make you see the way that person views things. Because the way you answer, pushes the person in a certain direction, where he protects himself more than his main point & it's not suprising the discussion gets way off track that way.

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Now about Kaneki  and his deathwish:

I haven't seen much assistence from his environment regarding that. Hinami didn't even try to talk him out of it, so in that sense she's making another mistake again & that as an adult. Kaneki doesn't look the person, that enjoys being seen as a martyr, so I tend to believe his deathwish comes from a believe that he's still burdening his friends to this day. So ending his life will in his eyes lift a big weight from their shoulders & give them the opportunity to live on & look out for the future. Because backtracking that logic to Hide's death, if Kaneki wasn't a ghoul Hide wouldn't have had a need to sacrifice him. If Kaneki killed himself after becoming a ghoul, he wouldn't have burdened Hide with the symbolic death he did especially for him (Kaneki). That might be a difficult way for you to see it, but it's just as much a possible thoughtprocess. Well in the end I always come to the conclusion that there isn't a way I can agree with any view, unless we'll here it directly from Kaneki. I do agree with Kaneki imatating Hide's apparent sacrifice, but with a little twist. To me it looks like a rehersal or 2nd chance, where he can succeed in the way he wants too, unlike last time. And who doesn't take a 2nd chance with both hands? It's just that his way of grabbing it with both hands will end (according to himself) in death, while another will use that 2nd chance to live. I think wanting to die is a feeling you or I will never understand, but to me it's truly beautiful in the way he machinated it. While someone who would run away and save his live when faced with this 2nd chance, would be an equally right choice, although the beauty in that lacks. Every human is an artist in it's own way & strives towards beauty in the ways that portray him the best. In that I can't fault Kaneki, because running can't really be called beautiful. People who run, just haven't yet found the way to make their live beautiful. There isn't yet fullfillment. Kaneki probably will reach that fullfillment by stopping Arima & dying.

Phew that came out much longer as I wanted. Hope it's a bit clear. & I'm just as much in the wrong when I try to correct the way you do things or write things. Just wanna throw that out there.