Thread:Lilymul/@comment-27247962-20160715201143/@comment-26074716-20160717164037

I dont know if you've been or seen beyond the wiki community since trust me this might be the worst community for TG fandom lol I've been to many sites, and engaged in many discussions apart from this place. And TG is not my first experience getting involved with fandoms so I pretty much have the up and down experiences with all sort of fans from shojo to seinen manga fandom lol

Anyways TG is quite a tricky one to deal with because most of fandom I've been involved with, it's mostly on shipping matter, power level and clear distinction of the bad vs good thing. In TG, some of themes implemented albeit subtly such as violent cycle, war, racism, abuse and gender equality are quite the sensitive subjects to some portion of the readers. Most of the time, they are potrayed in a grey area and every story has its two sides of the coin. Fans coming from different backgrounds and experiences have their own views over the matters and absolutely Ishida himself has his own view and judgement when he decides to touch on those things in his manga.

That's why I said, it's hard to be objective or even to be subjective while discussing those things. Personal experiences and ideals are being pushed onto Ishida and they expect Ishida to have clear judgement over the matters. I think it's important for everyone to keep in mind that Ishida writing the story with mature Japanese audiences in his mind and he has limited access to western or foreign materials for him to be fully fixated on those things. So for example Mutsuki being a transgender might not happen at all(tho the possibility is there) and fans have to accept that.

About the fans, maybe it's just the wiki thing but everywhere else, I think Touka's fans are mostly chilled and I dont really mind them being irritated with all those hateful/trollish comments because yea, they are fans after all. Even the Touka/Kaneki fans stay in their lines most of the time, tho the bragging rights are over the top sometimes. She's also one of my fav next to Arima, and most of the time I see her getting shit from others fans because of the shipping mess and her being ridiculed as one of the important character. Her fans rarely get involved with other characters and considering her popularity I'm surprised that her fans rarely kick up fuss since she's one of the most criticized characters in TG (well at least among western sides) Also it's a plus that her fandom consists of many talented artists, I just love the fact that her tags are always filled with fanarts instead of nonsense analysis and whatnot lol The same also can be said for Tsukiyama's and Juuzou's.

Sorry to say this haha but if anything Kaneki's fans are overly-overprotective of him, yea I know him being the poor tragedy boy but being a multifan of many characters, it's so hard dealing with them. I dont mind Kaneki at all (I absolutely love him in fact, well screw me I just love all characters in this series lmao) but his fans are quite childish and being too emotional involved dealing with Kaneki's interaction with other characters. well we all know Ishida is somewhat twisted and 'cruel' with Kaneki so they should have known the basis of his involvement with other characters, he wont get all the rainbows and unicorns because that's just how Ishida treats him lmao

The worst I've encountered probably the one with Haise/Kaneki mess (and to the lesser extent Arima/Kaneki, Urie/Kaneki, Ui/Kaneki, Tsukiyama/Touka/Kaneki<-- this one is more of shipping thing, well I think every single character aside from Hide and Saiko get criticized for their involvement with Kaneki lol) They view their relationships from very one sided angle and completely disregard the other party's view and intention. For short, I am just too tired that most of the hates for those characters, mostly rooted from their relation with Kaneki. Next probably Mutsuki fans for all those gender confusion and Eto, her fans worship her too much for being strong female villain, I mean just look at those OEK fuss before own her revelation and her wiki section is a such mess lol

Oh well I think this is getting too personal haha but that's just from my own experience, ever since Kaneki/Haise mess, I avoid from getting involved with his fans. it's just too tiring for me, and I am more towards spreading the positivity and pay more attention to other minor characters lately( where are Takeomi and Kuramoto!? I miss them very much T.T)