Talk:Ken Kaneki/@comment-26653902-20151108213555/@comment-26653902-20151109025458

^I can accept that.

But outside the situation, we are also shown different sides of Arima, even if they are only glimpses. I factored those in as well, so that's why I insist so much on keeping this opinion floating.

And I didn't deny that there's a good chance that Arima really did see Haise as a weapon initally. It definitely left some scars, like I said at least twice in this thread

As for why the other situations we've seen didn't trigger "Kill Arima," I've said multipled times in other threads that it's because they don't quite resemble that session the way the Kanae one did. And this is only the second time we've see Haise in an about to be killed position; the other being Seidou. Back then, Haise was too scared of his past to have any desire to fight for his life and he was unconscious by the time Seidou said he's going to eat him. He's at his limit and about to die. So the memory was triggered.

Look, I highly doubt that Haise's affections towards Arima we've seen more recently aren't real. He wouldn't be regularly trading books with him and being happy to see him in general if he consciously harbored a secret hatred.

I'm willing to bet that Arima's treatment of and attitude of him improved over time, so Haise does genuinely love him at this point. But, I can agree that things are more complicated than that and that there's still some long-buried issues from the aforementioned scars of his early treatment.

In the end, I think we can at least agree that things are complicated and we shall have to wait until we finally get an Arima arc before we know for sure what's going on.

Can we agree to disagree until then and keep on going our merry way with posting opinions about this?