Talk:Matsumae/@comment-26544002-20151018012629/@comment-79.24.25.226-20151018215046

I think Tsukyiama was fighting seriously against Touka. In the beginning Touka simply couldn't use her kagune because of Yoriko's food, but when she was able to use it she gained the upper end easily. Maybe he was starved, but still Touka had been eating human food everyday and she didn't probably eat too much, but just the bare minimum due to Anteiku's policy. Plus Tsukyiama had the advantage in that fight due to his koukaku.

Tsukyiama also fought seriously against both Naki and the doves, we are sure of it since he did so in order to help Kaneki. Shuu is a great fighter, but I think his strength is more in his intelligence rather than brute force. In the fight with the doves he was using Naki as a vanguard in order to kill both him and the doves. I don't know who is stronger between him and Matsumae, maybe she is.