Talk:Re: Chapter 51/@comment-145.133.14.167-20151102181749/@comment-27143318-20151104135054

@Dalaios

The only assumption I made was regarding Roma's rating and that's why I put a question mark in the end of my statement. All of the other ratings were given pretty much for the reasons I gave, more or less. If Ito was indeed the one of highest rank (which he probably is) then yeah, I guess there's a reason for them to fight Noro - because Ito's either not well-read on the CCG top rated ghoul database or because he's gone full Urie-mode.

As to Sasaki, I think you are overestimating him. Arima's "training" could probably only be given during Arima's little free time - he was probably occupied with exterminating 24th ward ghouls most of the time. We can't really estimate how much Sasaki has truly learned from Arima, but I don't really think much of Arima's teaching abilities. The legendary "Hirako, is it really that hard to use both of your hands synchronously? It's so natural for me." comes to mind. Whatever Haise knows was probably learned from observation and from what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like much (even Nishiki beat the crap out of him before he went Kaneki mode). I don't really think much of Quinques either to be fair - they are basically stiff kagunes on a stick. A real kagune is much better. I would also disagree that the half-kakuja thing is the only thing that sets him apart from Kaneki - Kaneki used to have an extremely brutal and aggressive fighting style (which I think suited Rinkaku ghouls really well) that was still refined - he did meddle with martial arts and read books on that, as well as practising with Tsukiyama who's been taught martial arts since little. Now he's regressed to a conventional battle style. Besides, the RC suppresants also take a massive toll on regeneration and the kagune abilities apart from the kakuja (in his Takizawa fight you could see how brittle and riddled with cracks his kagune was), as well as other overall attributes such as strength, durability and endurance, arguably even speed, but I won't go as far as to state that since it's not confirmed.

When Kaneki fought Shachi he was still way weaker than when he fought Arima. Besides, I legitimately think Shachi is one of the strongest top tier ghouls - so far he appears to be invulnerable and shrugged of any and all of Kaneki's attacks and his opponent wasn't a pushover by a longshot. We don't even know if he gave his all or not. It's hard to estimate his true power, but we've been shown no signs that he can actually be defeated by other SS ghouls at this point. Seidou's feats on the other hand constitute slaughtering a bunch of cannon fodder and then beating down a severely watered-down version of Kaneki. The fact that Sasaki could even go against his half-kakuja despite being so much weaker than usual is proof that Seidou is much weaker than Kaneki, since Kaneki almost managed to kill Arima in his own half-kakuja mode and displayed insane speed and strength in his fight against Shinohara - something that Takizawa didn't even come close to doing. Seidou is definitely strong, yes. Stronger than S rated ghouls even. That's why he's an SS. However, he is probably the weakest power-based SS rated ghoul and by a significant margin too. The only SS ghouls that are weaker are ones that deserved their rating through other means than strength (such as Kaya Irimi, Koma and Big Madam). From what has been shown so far, I think Seidou doesn't even stand a chance against Shachi or Kaneki.