Talk:Touka Kirishima/@comment-27143318-20151031170043/@comment-27143318-20151102014502

@Harostar

I actually remember when he forbid her to follow him and IMHO it was one of the more heartbreaking moments in TG, but I would say that even if Touka berated him for abandoning her only rather than for also making choices on her behalf, my point still stands. Touka also doesn't allow Kaneki the chance to choose between being with her or not. Yes, Tsukiyama is trying to force Kaneki back into the ghoul world, but that wouldn't work, because Tsukiyama is assuming that by regaining his memories Kaneki will definitely decide to go back to :re. That's not the case. Kaneki regaining his memories would simply allow him to choose between retaining his current lifestyle or going back to his old friends. It would give him control over his own life. That's why in essence, I think Touka is doing the same thing - taking away control from Kaneki just how he took away control from her back in TG. Kaneki can't make a choice because the means to do so have been taken away from him. I would've totally understood if Touka wanted to do the best thing for Kaneki and saying that she'd need a long time to think about the situation and evaluate things, but she instantly rejected Tsukiyama's proposal - she appeared to be extremely confident in that it is definitely better for Kaneki to not regain his memories. That aside, from my point of view people are made up of their memories, so in essence Kaneki is currently in stasis and Haise is another personality - there's no way of knowing what the real Kaneki would want without at least having him regain his body and memories. Again, that's just my own point of view, but I think it's good to mention it since it might help you understand why I view the situation as I do better.

When it comes to Touka as a character, I'd totally understand and welcome improvement - she definitely seemed to be becoming a better person at the end of Tokyo Ghoul. The thing is that she's completely different, a total polar opposite. We can't even see gradual improvement because of the time skips, we just know that now she's a totaly inverted version of herself. I mentioned this before, but I wouldn't have even known it was the same character if I hadn't seen her referred to by name. As it's my favourite character and me being a big fan of the franchise, you can see where I am coming from. All we know is that all of that build-up on her character from earlier is essentially useless now - her entire character development so far has been in vain since now she's just completely different. She might've as well been introduced in :re and there wouldn't be much of a difference. The changes are far too drastic and don't even make sense to me in some aspects (she wants Kaneki back, Kaneki possibly would want to be back, but she decides to not even let him choose to go back? I mean come on). Her current new personality wasn't developed a lot either - all we know is that she's kind to customers, which probably isn't much of a surprise for anyone. We also know she's cold to others and doesn't really seem impacted a lot by the unfolding events. All in all, it doesn't seem like character improvement to me. That aside, I guess that it could be just Ishida's presentation that was temporarily subpar compared to his usual writing and maybe he just hasn't properly reintroduced Touka yet, but things aren't looking too bright IMHO. I'll wait and see I guess - it's not like I can do anything else, but still...

P.S. You've got some sick text formatting skills. Props to you.