Talk:Kichimura Washuu/@comment-68.188.223.225-20180724004711/@comment-82.102.22.44-20180823044822

^^I fail to see how Kaneki :re or any version falls into category of Gary Stu. Arima does indeed, but Kaneki is more of a self-insert, wish fulfillment type of character than actual Gary Stu. Gary Stu is usually a bland character with barely any personality, so reader can self-insert. Character who is beyond perfect at everything, naturally, with almost no effort. One everyone can't stop talking about, being obsessed over, kissing his ass all the time, want to be like, his flaws don't exist and he is always in the right and the victim, even when he is not. Kaneki doesn't exhibit any of these traits. Closest to Gary Stu traits Kaneki comes are harems and last thing there("he is always in the right and the victim, even when he is not."). That. How story can be huge cringe with trying to find ways to make him tragic martyr further, and try to 'redeem' his massive f*ck ups using same formula, even representing him as archangel and some sort of Jesus with its symbolism. Those are quite cringe, true. Although all of these still fall into category of him being author's wish fulfillment over Gary Stu.

All of these points you gave in defense of Furuta, like: These ironically enough apply to Kaneki too. I mean ... I don't remember Kaneki being God either. I don't remember Kaneki being OP moment he became ghoul. I don't recall him becoming strong and powerful without any effort put into it just because his name was Kaneki Ken. I truly don't remember it.
 * "Furuta worked for everything he got. Nothing was given to him on silver platter just because he was Furuta Nimura (unlike MC in :re who is special and needs to save the day just because he is said MC). Every single thing Furuta achieved was through his own work. He didn't become strong just because he was Furuta Nimura; he trained since he was a child. Even than he wasn't exactly a God."
 * " You can now argue about how much his so-called achievements and power were results of author liking him vs. how actually intelligent this character is without his crappy "Aizen" trope that he suffered from, but point is that he still gets credit for his achievements, regardless of 'reasons' for them."

Seems one of us has issues with our memory here, or we read different mangas, with different Kanekis, completely.