Talk:Akira Mado/@comment-27704373-20170402174054/@comment-2215706-20170404011017

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I will actually be replying to several of your points, not only the ones addressed at me.





''>I do not see that as a human reaction. ''





You actually acknowledge they might hate the killer for a little while, though. But for starters, you are equating our world to the world of Tokyo Ghoul, when they are not the same.



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<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">The CCG as an institution justifies its long lasting existence in protecting humans. We know there is a branch in Germany, and also one in China; we also know Donato’s from Russia, which means ghouls are universally seen as predators to humankind. We know, from the first few chapters, that people seem scared of them. We've got two characters, Ui and Takizawa, who despite not having suffered from loss at the hands of ghouls, join the CCG willingly, because they want to be some sort of defenders of justice. This, as a whole, makes it seem as though the CCG is held in high regards among humans. <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">The context of humanity in Tokyo Ghoul is one where they are already afraid, and they already feel they are protecting their own existence by exterminating ghouls. In this context, they feel they are also killing to defend themselves. You could argue that the CCG likely has killed many “good” ghouls, but in the same way, ghouls have likely killed just as many “good” humans. Just look at the restaurant or known dangerous clans such as Tatara’s – not only have they killed humans indiscriminately, they’ve also been cruel or excessive about it. Even if you say Ippei deserved it, or Kureo did, then so do many other ghouls, but the CCG exterminates evenly (in the same way many ghouls won’t go exclusively after criminals or suicidal people) and they’d hardly have a way to know if a particular ghoul has never killed an innocent human.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">TL;DR: Humans feel threatened by ghouls’ mere existence, so to them killing ghouls is already self defense and thus hunting a ghoul isn’t a bad deed. When the perception is such, the ghoul also self defending and killing the hunter is just killing another person who was defending themselves (and other humans along the way).

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">>Akira is devoting her life toward killing Touka <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">You’re gonna have to remind me where this happens because while finding Rabbit was an executive assignment of Rank 2 Investigator Akira Mado, which was her job, the only instance of her mentioning devoting her life to something (that I can recall) is when she talks about clearing away her father’s regret, which is about Eto, not Touka.

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">''<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">>I think what Touka did to Ippei (The investigator you mentioned) is completely justified. In my opinion the CCG and all in it are evil, and I think killing anyone in the CCG is a good deed not a bad one. ''<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">So you’re going for an “eye for an eye” justification. Ever heard: “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind”? This is exactly what the whole series is about. Yoshimura chose not to kill to feed himself nor in self defense precisely to remove himself from the cycle of violence which ghouls are perceived to be (and most of the time are) involved in, and scolded Touka when she killed Ippei because she willfully put herself back in that cycle. Touka realized it herself when she killed Kureo, because the same justification of grief would have worked with someone who loved him. Hinami realizes it too, and thus chooses not to hate. Even Akira had a moment of lucidity in such a case, in which at first she could see a justification for killing Takizawa, but in the last moment decided to shield him regardless.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">If we’re going to those lengths, remember the CCG was formed a century ago to counter a one-eyed ghoul who was threatening humanity, so they were formed to defend themselves. Then, when Eto was 14, she organized a raid against the CCG, in which Kasuka was killed, so by that logic, Kureo and Akira would be justified in wanting to kill Eto. If Touka is justified in killing Ippei, who did not directly kill Ryouko, who was not even directly related to Touka; then Akira is just as justified in wanting to kill Touka, who killed her own father.

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">''<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">>Besides Akira asks Amon at some point "where were you when my father was killed?" implying she was aware they were hunting her down ''<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">The CCG works in such a way that everyone has either a squad or a partner so that they’re not working solo, so this means nothing. And as I explained above, even if she knew Kureo was hunting her down (which I do believe would be the case), in the world of TG that’s something seen as favorable.

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">>Also Akira's viewpoint of the story is prejudiced against ghouls <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">Not strictly related to her as a character, but to storywriting in general. When you write a story, you’re gonna want to have someone to represent the archetype of each type of person in the world you’ve created. And yes, Akira’s is prejudice, believed to be justified, but '''having someone like her is necessary to represent the part of humanity that believes this. By having her change, which is likely what we’re gonna be seeing in this arc, the purpose becomes to show that that entire sector of humanity can change as well.'''

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">>humans are the dominant race and so they have the power to make peace with the ghouls, but choose and demand war instead <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">Refer to the point that they had to come together to fight against a OEG because they were threatened. If every ghoul were as vengeful as you say it’s justifiable, and humans are still fighting for what they perceive as their survival, they are not waging war against them.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">It’s also been shown that ghouls don’t have to kill to survive; they could scavenge. But if humans still feel threatened by ghouls and the 20thward was seen as a safe haven to ghouls, do you really think the scavengers are the majority of ghouls? Pretty much everything points to the fact that ghouls, while having the easy solution to not killing people, still choose to do so. Humans have every reason to still feel threatened.

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">>(the whole point about the facilities) <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">For that, both humans and ghouls need to leave their hate behind. That means not killing out of petty spite too.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">It’s also not simple at all. As someone said, it would need to be a government institution. People would need to agree to give away dead bodies. You ensure people aren’t killed to be eaten by a ghoul, but their destiny would, regardless, result in being eaten by a ghoul, which feels pretty bleak.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">If we assume that there are less ghouls than the monthly deaths in Japan, that would also mean people seeing it as an injustice when they’re the ones who have to give up their loved ones to be consumed, and likely being reluctant to. If we assume that there are more ghouls, then there would still be ghouls that can’t be fed, even if all bodies are consumed. And, likely, there would still be ghouls that would have strange feeding patterns, such as Rize, Torso, Tsukiyama, and everyone at the restaurant. All in all, the number of monthly deaths would have to be practically identical to the number of ghouls, which seems like pretty wishful thinking.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">Then, the government would have to invest resources to make sure every area of the country has an access to facilities where bodies can be kept and ghouls can safely go to. For that, it would have to be made a priority compared to any other problem a country can face (paying external debt, investing in infrastructure, aiding victims of natural disasters, dealing with poverty issues, etc, etc).

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">It’s a solution, sure, but it’s not a simple one by any means.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">Anyway, all of this just boils down to the following point: the series is about breaking out from cycles of violence, which have remained because beings capable of human rationale (yes, this includes ghouls) have, greatly, a gray morality. Like I said, “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind”, or in other words, '''violence harbors violence. If you justify violence in any situation, you are failing to understand the core theme of the series. '''