Talk:Touka Kirishima/@comment-73.192.120.36-20160411165033/@comment-27247962-20160413142720

Anon

All in all I don't like characters who act violent to solve things, so Ayato isn't a favorite character either, but you are right that he isn't as confronted for his past mistakes as Touka & I'm don't get so angry about his behaviour as I get about Touka's & for me personally these are the reasons:

1) The major reason is that he knows he's a douche/dick/whatever/..., while Touka is a hypocrite! We know she means well; deep down she wants to help the people around her. But her behaviour doesn't stroke with her intentions & that's what clashes with me liking the character. Because she can't let go off her past, she can't change & doesn't know where to go with all that pent up frustration. she's in conflict with her past & the now/future. Her environment is screaming for change, but her mind can't forget about the past.

2) Ayato is much simpler he decided to turn against humanity willingly, so you can respect his decision more & where he's coming from makes more sense. On top of that he's painted off as an antagonist. It's much clearer with him who's side he choses, unlike Touka. Touka also shows favoritism, which is something i don't like either. Ayato decided to choose Aogiri, which is seen as the antagonist, while Touka = Anteiku = the heroes that strive for peace between humans & ghouls, but she doesn't really act like a advocate of peace between humans & ghouls in the beginning.

3) We also get very few insight on how she changed so much, which is very relevant to me, while Ayato has much more natural growth. Touka's change looks so forced, which leaves mixed feelings.

4) I can't leave it out: Ayato has gotten his behaviour therapy, with Kaneki's bone treatment, while Touka keeps getting away with her abusive behaviour & everyone submissively nods or doesn't bat an eye. Maybe a similar abusive reaction to hers might've snapped her out of it much sooner.

5) Mature Touka only appears on the convenient moments, which have no logical backing. But where was she to keep Ayato from going to Aogiri, where was she to prevent Hinami from making the same mistake, where was she when Kaneki turned into Haise or when he confronted Tsukiyama, Eto & Kanae on the roof. Why didn't she tell Tsukiyama about Kaneki living? (Ke I understand why, but i'm don't completely agree with her judgement)

But this can all turn, if we get her point of view, so number 5 is not so relevant yet.

I can get that you might also pity her for that, but like she says herself: "I don't need your pity!" So I don't pity her.

But yeah if you didn't notice she's the exact opposite off Kaneki almost, so depending on your own character and personality you'll be more drawn towards either Touka or Kaneki, which in my case is Kaneki, since there's more to relate in his way of overthinking things and his phylosophical and 'see it with my own eyes before I decide' view of the world. That's what i'm drawn too, not a brash, arrogant & violent girl, although I would've loved her new self, but too bad that the past her is still so fresh in my mind.