Talk:Re: Chapter 56/@comment-90.204.177.135-20151207150723/@comment-27361104-20151209161903

@ DreamSempai, I will try to make this as breif as possible.

Many people have S+ class quinques, can they fight Eto? Arima's prowess has a larger part to do with him as an individual more that the quinque he is using or his mastery over it. That part I believe would be the way he maneuvers. The point about Arima not being a ghoul and cannibalising but yet defeating Eto is not "insanely irrelevant". It is to point out that you don't have to be a ghoul and have a Kakuja or cannibalise to be very strong or to win a fight against a ghoul that has a Kakuja. Sachi is a good example here, no Kakuja but insanely strong. Kaneki vs Jason is a good example of a Kakuja ghoul losing against one that doesn't possess it.

Let me ask, how was Eto supposed to display the durability and strength of her Kagune? Durability is show by withstanding hits and overcoming wear and tear right? What did we see in :re 55, Kaneki cuts through her Kakuja. This means his Kagune was strong enough, right? or are you implying that she was able to somehow lower its durability consciously? Okay, what about strength? Isn't it displayed by hitting someone? What was the major theme of this fight? she could not hit Kaneki. She may be many times stronger than Kaneki like Sachi was but if you can't hit, it won't matter  (Sachi vs Kaneki part 2, Arima vs Eto, Arima vs Kaneki). Sachi had to make an opening by using his head - by playing dead to grab him in chapter. Kaneki's Kagune was much stronger than Arima's body right? but he simply could not win.

The exchange between Arima and Eto was clear enough, she stood there and fought. After sustaining substantial injuries, she fled. Her objective was indeed not killing Arima and because of this, she determined it wasn't worth it and fled.

She lost control because of the blow specifically to the head of her Kakuja. It regenerated in an abnormal way. Arima did not deliver any blows of this magnitude or even hit her head.

Fighting seriously and trying to kill someone are not necessarilly the same thing. If it were so, Kaneki too was not fighting seriously because he did not kill Eto. She licked his eye after she got impailed. This has been suggested by others as symbolism for Kaneki becoming the Second King as the eyes

I never said Kaneki is stronger than Sachi. I said he is faster and could dodge better, even Sachi said it. In addition, all these were in the past and concerned white haired Kaneki. This is a different Kaneki.

I don't necessarily think his Kagune is stronger than hers. Sigh, Kaneki's Kagune was able to damage Arima's IXA. Clearly, it was stronger. This did not prevent him from losing that fight. Again, durability and outstanding regeneration do not determine the outcome of a fight. Clearly, Kaneki's regeneration was not at the level of Kanae's but was still dominating until Eto interferred. Maneuverability is what I am trying to emphasis on here. This has had the biggest impact to Kaneki's fighting prowess and rightfully so. Just look at how Arima who is more proficient at it has made a name for himself.

Haise kagune and Kaneki's kagune cannot surely be equated to be the same. One has full control of it, the other does not, ofcourse there would be a big difference in its power.

He did not revert back to his old personality. This is a new Kaneki. His old personality created lies about reality and tried to live a meek life so to speak. This one embraces all the terrible things that have happened in his life.

Long story short - While Eto may have more raw power and regeneration rate than Kaneki, Kaneki's raw power exceeded the durability of her kakuja, this is why he could cut her. This point has nothing to do with her being more powerful than him. This is why I keep bringing Arima up - fighting style. Clearly she could have disposed of him back then but after this new Kaneki awakened (which I believe was actually her objective), we saw the result.