Talk:Kishou Arima/@comment-92.205.3.147-20151109031740/@comment-27175366-20151109185705

I agree there is not enough context to judge the relationship of Haise and Arima's relationship off of that one scene/page. I really can't tell if that was a real event that happened or another one of Kaneki's warped hallucinations (the flowers on the ground resemble the time when Kaneki first seen Arima in V14). I'm taking a guess early on in their relationship that Arima didn't view Haise/Kaneki as a person or a subordiante just a ghoul that  he can train to become his living quinque so I'm sure he was very tough and cruel with him but as time went on he started to see Haise as a friend and treated him more kindly. Maybe the whole kill Arima thing was a reaction to that training session (the killing intent) or Kaneki's (not Haise) inner hatred towards Arima because of the V14 fight. From the information we have so far it doesn't seem like Haise has any interst in killing Arima or hating him at all he sees him as a father figure and a person he looks up to he really values his freindship with Arima and vice versa

I really think we should just wait and see before jumping to conclusions there is not enough information about the relationship between them or hell even Arima himself to start hating him and calling him a monster now I'm not saying he's an angel or something just saying we should just wait. there is somewhat evidence to support both cases

Arima views Haise as a quinque

-Arima saying I'll need a new quinque after stabbing Kaneki with IXA

-Ishida saying that Arima is sadistic and massive

-Arima's connection with a Crossbreed

-that training session

Arima views Haise as a friend

- they share books with each other

-The chirstmas chapter (Arima smile after recieving the present from Haise and him attending the party)

- Arima passing down Yukimura to Haise

- Arima giving helpful advice to Haise after the Serpent fight

-Haise viewing him as a father figure

Overall we should just wait and see before we fullly judge this complicated relationship