Talk:Ken Kaneki/@comment-26950494-20150901230451/@comment-26653902-20150902174421

No, I never thought of CCG as a good thing, nor did I say they were (I think you may be confusing my speculating their propaganda word choices with me thinking they're good). In fact, I did say this whole time he was manipulated into choosing to serve the CCG. I just don't think there's any brainwashing or outright coercion involved. :\

As for the orphans, they are put into the academies where they are spoon-fed CCG propaganda and and had any animosity towards ghouls further fanned into wanting vengeance. With how heavily the environment is centered around training them to deal with ghouls, it's no wonder the majority become (and are expected to become, from Mutsuki's flashback) investigators. It seems that though the orphans are allowed to pursue different paths, the CCG wants them to become investigators and so designs their education to make them want to go that way.

I also don't think Haise was able to make an informed decision since he's also fed their propaganda and most likely convinced his past self succumbed to "ghoulish nature" and did terrible things as a result. And of course he would be convinced it would be mutually beneficial to himself and CCG if he works for them so he chooses yes. The choice would count as voluntary, but it is the result of deceit and manipulation. Free will is a very tenuous thing at best in a situation where one party has power over the other in some way.

Hope this clarifies things.