Talk:Noro/@comment-210.187.247.50-20151123133106/@comment-79.51.120.55-20151123185609

They aren't as strong singularly imo, but together they proved to be pretty effective. I mean, Saiko alone wouldn't probably be able to win against anyone, but with the Others she is effective.

The same can be said about Shirazu's quinque. If it weren't for Mutsuki who pinned Noro down (and for Urie and Takeomi who protected him while doing so) Shirazu's nut can be easily dodged by a fast ghoul.

And even after Shirazu (probably) broke the frames his kagune still wasn't able to end Noro and he needed Urie to land the finishing blow.

What's more it has been more than six months since they fought Nishiki: Urie released the frames, Mutsuki learnt how to control his kagune, Shirazu has a decent quinque and Saiko is present.

Kanae commented how much stronger Urie became and kanae isn't weak. Kanae is at least A and maybe low S and Urie was clearly winning during their battle without using his kagune.

That said we'll see what happens next week. I am still neutral to this situation because I want to see how it plays out.