Talk:Matasaka Kamishiro/@comment-114.108.203.10-20150802142959/@comment-26509016-20150804053023

I think people keep forgetting that Kaneki fought Shachi before getting his kakuja. Or at least they underestimate how much stronger he became after that... And between the raid on Kanou's lab and the Anteiku Raid, Kaneki became stronger again.

Let me ask you this: Pre-kakuja Kaneki vs. Seidowl. Who would win? You hopefully don't bet your money on Kaneki, because that one's gonna be a huge loss.

Even while being on supressants, Haise is far far far stronger than back then when he fought against Shachi. And Seidowl would be a match for Shachi as well, So I guess that Haise at least would tie with Shachi while being on supressants. Guess what happens if Haise isn't on supressants anymore?