Talk:Kishou Arima/@comment-202.67.37.36-20160403002645/@comment-12511635-20160403214031

First and foremost I would be content if you stop insisting that feeling remorse after you caused a fiasco or committed a selfish action makes everything better.

You treat Kaneki's issue with a real life perspective by insisting suicide is wrong and should never be condoned. In the world of Tokyo Ghoul taking revenge on the CCG is foolish as Yoshimura noted or joining Aogiri then regretting the decision.

I am not taking her age into account because you insist her responsibility should be mitigated because she is younger. She owed Yoshimura everything for the life she had then: being able to go to school, having a good supply of food and a peaceful ward with no violence. She disregarded all of that for a grudge despite knowing that fighting the CCG would be futile. Yoshimura forgave her and tried to give her advice to handle crises but she ignored it again. Her regrets have little merit since the damage was done and the ramficiation could never be fixed.

Hinami despite her uncertainty had her own reasons for joining Aogiri since she contacted Takatsuki for advice. She was already thinking about it by looking at the business card when she was with Banjou and his gang after the raid. What confuses me is what separated her from the Banjou and the others. Aogiri has a policy towards captured underlings they will not rescue you if you are detained by the CCG all lower ranking soldiers are peons to be used and discarded at a whim. Ayato's rescue of her violates Tatara's orders and his cooperation with Banjou who would consdiered a traitor for his defection show he might not be loyal to Aogiri himself after this story arc is completed.

These actions were horrible and still have a detrimental effect on the narrative even in RE:

Kaneki is in a dark place and needs people to understand him and not condemn his actions as they have done constantly. Hide never faulted Kaneki for his choices when he became a Ghoul he aided him the best way he thought he could. The people around his loved ones when they made their choices were forgiving, gave advice or defied their own expectations becasue they cared about them. They did not advocate beating them up as a plausible solution.