Talk:Touka Kirishima/@comment-108.28.7.188-20150706133940/@comment-79.40.74.2-20150707101552

About the confrontation between Touka and Kaneki that was actually one of my favourite scene in the manga.

Touka is impulsive and stubborn and and these flaws of her manifested, but in the end she was able to break through Kaneki's wall.

When she confronted him she found herself in front of someone very different from the one she knew. She pointed out the flaws in his phylosophy and way of thinking, but Kaneki's reaction to it was very cold and controlled. He seemed not to care about Touka's view, but the fact he touched his chin betrayed his true feelings. Basically Touka found herself in front of a wall, a person who doesn't really want to confront her and who is lying to himself about wanting to be alone. It's because of all of these things and of her own hot-blooded nature that she started to attack him.

Sure, starting a fight with someone isn't the best way to resolve a friction, but in this particoular case was effective. Kaneki realized what he was doing was wrong. I personally didn't see it as him submitting to her whims. Sometimes when you are wrong you won't realize it until someone you care won't point it at you even by being aggressive or harsh (I said aggressive, not violent).

Of course Touka wasn't perfect in that circumstance, she lost it and acted violently following her impulses (which is one of her greatest flaws). She is still immature and she herself realkized how foolish she was. However, when you get into a fight with someone it's normal (I said normal, not right) to say or do something which is harsh and to regret it afterwards.

All in all that confrontation was very good for Kaneki because he started to reflect on his behaviour. It's easy to say that Touka had the possibility to confront Kaneki and to use his "secret" to help him, but

1) she herself isn't patient and can't mantain her cool while confronting Others, it's a flaw of her

2) she tried to do so, she tried to listen to him, but after she pointed out the flaws in his views Kaneki put up a wall. When he said "It's fine, leave me alone", that was a way to defend himself and to avoid confrontation, it's not a right way to approach Others (not saying that he was completely in the wrong or that he deserved the beating, but by doing so he was hurting himself more)

Don't forget that Kaneki had just talked with Yoshimura. The manager understood very well what the boy was going through and offered wise advice to him, but even that wasn't enough for Kaneki to completely change his mind. He was confused and it was the fight with Touka that helped him to partially clear his mind.

Moreover Kaneki wasn't the only one who was suffering, Touka too was confused and sad about how their relationship had evolved (by relationship i don't necessarily mean love). Kaneki completely disappeared for six months, she kept worrying about him and tried to meet with him, but he kept avoiding her.

In short, their confrontation was very good for me and pretty realistic. Both Kaneki and Touka were broken people at that point and had to face their own inconsistencies and contradictions. In their fight (as in almost all fights) there isn't one who was right and one who was wrong.

About the fact that now she is simply "a housewife" or "girlfriend material" and your confronting her with Sakura in Naruto, I would agree if TG was a battle manga centered around battles in which you aren't important unless you keep winning against strong enemies and end up saving the world in the process, but it's not the case here for me. The main focus in Tg for me aren't the battles, the techniques used in battles, the strategies, etc, but the evolution of characters. In TG a character can be important and have an evolution even without fighting.

In the original series Hinami practically didn't fight, but she was important for Kaneki's growth and even now she is influencing Sasaki a lot and having an active role in his development just by talking with him from a prison jail.

Last, but not least I disagree about this point

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It’s simply minded to tell someone to “understand” Touka. This is a entertainment media. The reader and viewers judge the character by what is given. Just like in real life you judge a person by their words AND action. It’s ignorant to sit on your ass and wait and hope that ‘eventually’ they might be a good person or take action or change their ways.

The difference about a real life situation and a media is precisely that in a media you have the possibility to know perfectly how a character works while in real life you don't have this chance, you can't know how people really think. So I see some media as a chance to reflect about the people around you too. This is simply my opinion and actually I find yours pretty interesting too.

I agree with Blue Luna about the fact that some of your critics are interesting and also valid and I'm interested in your argumentation, but I think you shouldn't be so confrontational or aggressive with a character without explaining why you don't like it. I mean it's like in Touka and Kaneki's case. It's better to calmly talk rather than starting yelling blindly at each Others, right?