Talk:Touka Kirishima/@comment-25349497-20160529040454/@comment-27247962-20160530212703

I want to start by saying that although you make some fairly decent arguments, you're judgement is partially clouded by this impression we're 'bullying' Touka. Not the case.

I think you can figure out on your own why Hinami didn't decide to tell Haise about Kaneki. How do you think Haise would react if his memories start flooding back when he visits Hinami, in Cochlea? Or rather how would you think any CCG member would react, if they see Haise getting a seizure or mental breakdown. It would be all on camera. And the people who know him that watch the tape can deduce on their own what Hinami could've said. Let's say it was smart that Hinami didn't decide to do something noble in that situation.

For Shuu. I was honestly a bit annoyed that he decided not to tell him all of a sudden. But i'm inclined to belief he retraced his thoughts about telling him back to what Touka told him in the bar. He saw with his own eyes what Touka meant and decided it might've been best to let Haise stay as is. So without that talk he had with Touka, he most likely would've told Haise.

Now before I start about Touka, i  don't think this is even worth discussing. We're going on about one little decision i don't even mind that much. But it's being enlarged and flagged as the main concern we have about Touka's character. I can't really judge her for this decision, since it's practically something Ishida made her say, without informing us on how much she knows or what she based that decision on. Something I can't judge, i don't condone as a bad decision, but it's not as if this was her only bad decision in the series and it's more about what she actually presents at this point. We see her as the manager of the coffeeshop, but you seem to think she's having this masterful plan she's brewing behind all her coffee, mind telling me?

Now Touka. How did she come to that decision of letting his memories stay buried in his unconcious? Where did she base that on? If she based it just on seeing Kaneki come in and have a bit of banter with his colleagues, then she made a fingerflick decision, not too much thinking it through, just pure intuition, which is how we know Touka and her intuition has given her an equal amount of misery as it did good. If she was keeping an eye on him or asked Yomo to keep an eye on him, then i'm not sure why she didn't decide on taking him back. Is she planning on playing Haise's shadowknight, helping him out, without him knowing who saved or helped him... This decision also denies every romance that's going on between them in my opinion. Touka fans feel the romance, but also think this was a top notch decision on Touka's part. Doesn't she miss him, when keeping an eye on him like that, isn't it painful to see a friend who doesn't remember you... She doesn't tear up, when he says the coffee is delicious and starts tearing up himself, she just says: "Thank you, appreciate it" like every other coffee manager would probably say in that situation... There was just a warmth eminating from Touka that she would express to anyone, but it's seems like people misinterpreted this warmth as something she would only show to Haise or her friends. She cares for him, but not to that extent, because if she cared for him to that extent, this confrontation and decision would've been much more emotional for her and we would've seen it.

That wraps it up. I know the romance is something I put in myself, because i don't see shipping two main characters as a necessity, so that way i could get that out and point out the things that disagree with the romantic statement. It's as much besides the point as Touka's decision being the reason people are giving her a rougher time then others, which is also exaggerated. We have equally fair points. We're just ignoring each others points and pushing our own down each others throat.

That's about the feeling i get from this thread.

(Hopefully my gift of long comments does it's job in concluding this matter soon. Have a nice evening!)